2023 Australian Grand Prix - Melbourne, March 31 - April 02

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Mega to pull 2 seconds in 6 corners and a straight and a half (at the finish line).

Just look at the overtake where Max got infront...
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You can see the sheer increase in speed the RB gets when Max opens the DRS (the grid line just before HAM text in the chart title).

Then theres a 24kmh difference (DRS vs no DRS) when Lewis' car starts to recover....

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Verstappen can then keep his foot in longer and by the time he lifts off to brake for the corner, theres a whopping 56kmh difference between them both.

Of course the speeds are much close using the following Lap (13), but it is a very interesting thing to see.
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DGP123 wrote:
02 Apr 2023, 14:15
Shal_Leg16 wrote:
02 Apr 2023, 13:25
Watched the highlights again .
After the finish,
Horner - and well done
Max - yah …..win is win we take it…..etc

The tone and lac of satisfaction/joy in their voices ffs. Its that simple, max is like only 1 job to keep that car in 1 peace and on track thats all and its a guaranteed win.

Starting to feel its worse then the mercs domination in hybrid era.
Yeah, totally agree. I don’t think it was down to the way the race ended. Max knows this season is a piece of cake, he looks and sounds bored. There’s no real joy or celebration, knowing how easy this is. It’s not his or the teams fault, but it’s not a good look being so miserable, complaining and moaning, yet still winning by such a large margin.

I’m convinced the grass incident was him being purely bored, and just losing focus. Had to laugh when Max breezed past Lewis, gained a three second lead, and the commentator said ‘well that’s it, it’s over’. 😂
I’d rather the commentator be honest than try to introduce fake tension.

I’m not sure Max ever seems happy, win or lose. I do definitely think he appears bored, and this is only after 1 year of dominating.

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Max also offered the corner up, prior to the overtake, and I think he likely emptied the battery. Get out of DRS straight away.

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Max is max, and by the end of the race we waited like 30 mins for a parade lap. Had they finished right after the previous red flag he would have been a bit more excited. You won’t get fake speeches from Max.

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Mogster wrote:
02 Apr 2023, 14:35

I’m not sure Max ever seems happy, win or lose. I do definitely think he appears bored, and this is only after 1 year of dominating.
100% signs of boredom right now.
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Are the results final now, or still pending protests?

Other than the compete BS at the very end I thought the race was at least somewhat fun to watch if nothing else.

The DRS on the Redbull was a complete joke to watch. Fair play to them for developing it. But for the fans of F1 and people who like to see at least some sort of wheel to wheel action during overtakes, it was silly.

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djones wrote:
02 Apr 2023, 14:39
Are the results final now, or still pending protests?
an hour ago, it was still being discussed. No update since


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Thanks.

So just a little protest that will change those two - nothing major that’s going to change the position for a lot of drivers.

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It also depends whether Ferrari appeal Sainz penalty.

Not sure how long there is to appeal it
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AR3-GP wrote:
02 Apr 2023, 14:37
100% signs of boredom right now.
Completely agree. I’d understand it, if it was after three or four years of lights to flag wins, but we haven’t got there….yet. Looks fed up, for sure. Hitting out at the prospect of more sprint races too, suggests he’s not enjoying it. We want quality, not quantity.
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02 Apr 2023, 14:39
The DRS on the Redbull was a complete joke to watch. Fair play to them for developing it. But for the fans of F1 and people who like to see at least some sort of wheel to wheel action during overtakes, it was silly.
As was said in Jeddah, it’s like watching F1 v F2. Painful to watch these unskilled, uncontested moves. Not sure how anyone can get excited for watching that. Again, we want quality, not quantity. There’s a theme

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DGP123 wrote:
02 Apr 2023, 14:54
AR3-GP wrote:
02 Apr 2023, 14:37
100% signs of boredom right now.
Completely agree. I’d understand it, if it was after three or four years of lights to flag wins, but we haven’t got there….yet. Looks fed up, for sure. Hitting out at the prospect of more sprint races too, suggests he’s not enjoying it. We want quality, not quantity.
djones wrote:
02 Apr 2023, 14:39
The DRS on the Redbull was a complete joke to watch. Fair play to them for developing it. But for the fans of F1 and people who like to see at least some sort of wheel to wheel action during overtakes, it was silly.
As was said in Jeddah, it’s like watching F1 v F2. Painful to watch these unskilled, uncontested moves. Not sure how anyone can get excited for watching that. Again, we want quality, not quantity. There’s a theme
Pick out how many moves Perez made on the straight.

I was on board with Perez, were you? Most of his overtakes were done at 9-10 on the brakes or through the corner itself. Wheel to wheel in a high speed chicane.

Max made 1 on track overtake where he had drs against Hamilton who didn't. And he was a much faster car overtaking a slower car. Of course it was going to look easy

In f2 most overtaking manoeuvres were done the same way Max overtook Lewis: with drs, before the corner, and that's a spec series. So it is not supportable that the rb19 is just making things like F1 Vs f2, when their overtaking wasn't dissimilar to others'

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djones wrote:
02 Apr 2023, 14:47
Thanks.

So just a little protest that will change those two - nothing major that’s going to change the position for a lot of drivers.
yeah, and I think it's unlikely to change the result, even if they are right, as the race continued after that (even if it was just a lap behind the SC). Would be a different story if that red flag had marked the end.

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It sure felt like the Red Flag to end the race was fast.
Like the Alpines crash and the race director immediately goes for the button.
What he didn't expect in his rush was that the inlap would count as the penultimate lap and that meant the final lap would be behind the SC.

Fair play to Alonso for immediately knowing what would be the call.
Sucks for Hulkenberg.

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First red flag was totally unnecessary, second one could have been avoided too. The third one was a genuine red flag. It’s not fair to shut the race only to create a spectacle. Stewards this season have been pretty much over the top.

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I’d love the red flag & SC usage data over the past five years.