Red Bull RB19

A place to discuss the characteristics of the cars in Formula One, both current as well as historical. Laptimes, driver worshipping and team chatter do not belong here.
Owen.C93
Owen.C93
177
Joined: 24 Jul 2010, 17:52

Re: Red Bull RB19

Post

Old:
Image
New:
Image

Looks like they've widened the inlet based on the mirror, but made it shallower. Should provide even more flow down the undercut.
Motorsport Graduate in search of team experience ;)

User avatar
organic
1055
Joined: 08 Jan 2022, 02:24
Location: Cambridge, UK

Re: Red Bull RB19

Post

Owen.C93 wrote:
27 Apr 2023, 18:25
Old:
https://i.imgur.com/W05R9Rp.jpg
New:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fuu7S-zWwAY ... ame=medium

Looks like they've widened the inlet based on the mirror, but made it shallower. Should provide even more flow down the undercut.
I'm pretty sure that they can't have widened the sidepod inlet.. if you look at the regulatory volumes at the front of the sidepod, the sidepod inlet would have to taper aggressively rearwards if it was made any wider, which it doesn't do.. Unless I'm mistaken

A major advantage of having the sidepod inlet set rearwards from the scoop is such that they can move the scoop upwards or downwards without having to change the sidepod inlet shape too much (eg having to widen it)





And just by eye I can't see from this angle that the inlet would necessarily be any wider

AR3-GP
AR3-GP
365
Joined: 06 Jul 2021, 01:22

Re: Red Bull RB19

Post

Interesting. The sidepod inlet is a lot smaller.
A lion must kill its prey.

User avatar
Vanja #66
1572
Joined: 19 Mar 2012, 16:38

Re: Red Bull RB19

Post

It does look slightly wider, going towards Ferrari style a bit.
Last edited by Vanja #66 on 27 Apr 2023, 19:20, edited 2 times in total.
AeroGimli.x

And they call it a stall. A STALL!

#DwarvesAreNaturalSprinters
#BlessYouLaddie

User avatar
dren
226
Joined: 03 Mar 2010, 14:14

Re: Red Bull RB19

Post

Looks like the base of the inlet is pulled up but that could just be the angle. The strake under the mirror is altered; it now is just a rectangle profile.
Last edited by dren on 27 Apr 2023, 19:20, edited 1 time in total.
Honda!

AR3-GP
AR3-GP
365
Joined: 06 Jul 2021, 01:22

Re: Red Bull RB19

Post

Vanja #66 wrote:
27 Apr 2023, 19:00
It does look slightly wider, going towards Ferrari style a bit.
Yes, and wider. Is the mirror attached differently now? Otherwise I think the vane is in a similar location to last race, but the side pod itself is wide (which explains the extra distance between the mirror support vane, and the outside of the sidepod inlet.
A lion must kill its prey.

User avatar
Vanja #66
1572
Joined: 19 Mar 2012, 16:38

Re: Red Bull RB19

Post

New

Image

Old

Image

Looks fairly similar in surface area, as expected. Pushing more air in the undercut likely has twofold influence - increasing outwash and overall flow rate towards the rear.
Last edited by Vanja #66 on 27 Apr 2023, 19:30, edited 1 time in total.
AeroGimli.x

And they call it a stall. A STALL!

#DwarvesAreNaturalSprinters
#BlessYouLaddie

User avatar
gandharva
252
Joined: 06 Feb 2012, 15:19
Location: Munich

Re: Red Bull RB19

Post

If the vertical mirror mount is still at the same spot, the inlet is clearly wider now.

User avatar
organic
1055
Joined: 08 Jan 2022, 02:24
Location: Cambridge, UK

Re: Red Bull RB19

Post

The front profile of the new scoop looks remarkably similar to the silhouette we saw on the low quality Silverstone shakedown video...

People were predicting higher and potentially wider inlet scoops for the launch version based on the shakedown.. and now they appear

User avatar
vorticism
323
Joined: 01 Mar 2022, 20:20

Re: Red Bull RB19

Post

Will this be a permanent change to the sidepod inlet or track specific?

With this change the inlet lip and the VG are no longer conjoined.

Added another comparison image below.

Vanja #66 wrote:
27 Apr 2023, 19:21
New
Image
Previous:
Image


Single louver exit per Fabrega (below).

Image
Image
𓄀

User avatar
organic
1055
Joined: 08 Jan 2022, 02:24
Location: Cambridge, UK

Re: Red Bull RB19

Post

After looking at all the pics in the thread and various images from the silverstone shakedown it seems very likely the baku spec inlets were used at the shakedown already. Not sure if anything can be concluded from that, but it supports the idea that RB are not rushing components to the car and instead focusing on being efficient with parts, which completely makes sense when there seems to be a sizeable advantage in pocket

User avatar
Sieper
73
Joined: 14 Mar 2017, 15:19

Re: Red Bull RB19

Post

vorticism wrote:
27 Apr 2023, 20:50
Will this be a permanent change to the sidepod inlet or track specific?

With this change the inlet lip and the VG are no longer conjoined.

Added another comparison image below.

Previous:
https://i.postimg.cc/jjjSYx9x/RB-susp-2.jpg


Single louver exit per Fabrega (below).

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fuu7SoUXgAQ ... name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fuu7SLMXoAA ... name=small
I don’t think that’s a single louvre exit, just the entire plate not screwed down. It also has a gap along its bottom.

User avatar
vorticism
323
Joined: 01 Mar 2022, 20:20

Re: Red Bull RB19

Post

There's a relief outside of the aft end of the panel and the panel is taped on its bottom and leading edge. One exit is probably the result of changing the louver panel and not changing the panel it sits inside of; the last louver is built into the adjacent panel.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fuu7R7cWAAA ... name=large
𓄀

AR3-GP
AR3-GP
365
Joined: 06 Jul 2021, 01:22

Re: Red Bull RB19

Post

Is this old or new? I know they had some overhang of the front wing, off of the endplate, but I didn't know it was that much.

Image
A lion must kill its prey.

User avatar
organic
1055
Joined: 08 Jan 2022, 02:24
Location: Cambridge, UK

Re: Red Bull RB19

Post

AR3-GP wrote:
27 Apr 2023, 23:01
Is this old or new? I know they had some overhang of the front wing, off of the endplate, but I didn't know it was that much.

https://i.postimg.cc/NjS9fyxK/image.png
I don't think it has changed since launch; it was pointed out at pre-season testing
organic wrote:
26 Feb 2023, 19:19
Spotted a FW trick..

RB have created a Merc-like slot at the FW in their own way.

Image

They create this by having an overhanging piece of FW that extends beyond the endplate and 'cuts in' to connect to the endplate. And they position the downwashing fin that a few teams have at the rear part of the endplate presumably helping this function as the endplate slot did last year.

Image

https://i.imgur.com/4hhyVrA.jpeg

The flap adjuster is also cranked outboard too compared to the rb18, as well as some aggressive curvature changes potentially causing more vortex shedding in this region..

https://i.imgur.com/o61gcnM.png