FOTA starts a breakaway series

[gcdugas]

Well the name calling and slights begin already. "Elements within FOTA".... "not engaged in the discussions in good faith.".... "FOTA’s inability to reach a compromise in the best interests of the sport."

Hey Max, shut your pie hole. We are sick of you and your disingenuous condescension. If you don't get exactly your way, is that somehow against the interest of the sport? Where do you get the nerve to equate your ever changing regulations with "the best interest of the sport"? Are you the sole arbiter of what is in "the best interest of the sport"? There are very few defenders of the FIA among the F1 fans so might I humbly suggest that you are horribly out of touch with what is "the best interest of the sport"?

I hope you are booed off the grid this weekend. Go get spanked in your dungeon and spare us your deep rooted psychological problems. Take your madness elsewhere. Borrowing from an illustrious British politician, I would like to paraphrase his citation of Dr. Seuss...


The time has come.
The time is now.
Just go. Go. Go!
I don't care how.
You can go by foot.
You can go by cow.
Max Mosley will you please go now!
You can go on skates.
You can go on skis.
You can go in a hat.
But please go. Please! I don't care.
You can go by bike.
You can go on a Zike-Bike if you like.
If you like you can go in an old blue shoe.
Just go, go GO!
Please do, do, Do!
Max Mosley I don't care how.
Max Mosley will you please GO NOW!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1E3OFbCpqE[/youtube]

[mep]

I thing the breakaway is a really good thing.
It's the only way to get rid of all these idiotic rules and I hope it will bring back good racing and technically attractive cars.

The only thing we have to do now is stopping to support FIA F1.
It has to die quickly because there is only space for one championship.
Having two running parallel would be the worst thing.

[jamsbong]

hey guys,

I wonder if we will see Jean Todt in the breakaway series? He left Ferrari since Schumi retired. Now with the breakaway happening, maybe he will come back?

At this moment, I find FOTA to be really united and positive about their actions. With this kinda attitude, I reckon they have more chance of success.

[monkeyboy1976]

Well, I have to be honest and say I never really expected that at all.
A brave and clever move by the teams. FOTA has now firmly put the ball in FIA/FOM's court.
Mosley now needs to decide to either accept FOTA's proposals in full and have his authority serverly reduced (I personally think he would quit under this scenario) or publish a new list without the FOTA teams and risk a very sub-standard F1 for 2010 beyond (it would not be able to compete with FOTA's breakaway).
It seems a simple question to me: Does he fall on his sword or put his own interests ahead of world motorsport governance?
I suspect Bernie is placing unimaginable pressure on him to yield. Bernie has too much to lose (unless of course he has already got his pension sorted and will sell up).
Nice one FOTA, you have them in the tightest of corners. =D>
All will be revealed tomorrow. No turning back now. Negotiations over.

[xpensive]

I believe we will see many familiar faces in GPWC next year. RD one of them.

[monkeyboy1976]

I believe we will see many familiar faces in GPWC next year. RD one of them.

Not so sure about RD. He is busy trying to sort out the road car business. They have major issues with their new car.

[monkeyboy1976]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76298

that makes 2 "back-up" teams lost by the FIA and probably gained by FOTA.
More to follow I suspect. Prodrive have not commited either way yet.

[Ciro Pabón]

Wow!
And where is WhiteBlue?

He has been banned for a week. He might come back tomorrow.

What for?


I know his posts were mostly rubbish... but surely they can't be any worse than mine!!!

Nobody is banned for the quality of his posts, kilcoo, but I take the opportunity to give some explanations you and everybody deserve:

"Da rulez" say:

"Flaming or abusing users in any way will not be tolerated and will lead to a warning."

A couple of members have received warnings recently, WB was the only one that ignored the many pleads we sent him to behave in a different way.

I won't take side in the many disputes some members sustain here, never ever: the more inflamed people is, the more quiet moderators should be, but I can say I'm tired of editing posts with clear "flames", no matter how smartly written they are.

This is not a place to win discussions but to share knowledge.

Either you enjoy what you write or, probably, moderators won't.

As a side benefit, I hope sincerely this serves "pour encourager les outres" (to encourage the others), as (I think) Rosseau famously said when asked why he was sending people to the guillotine.

I repeat my mantra: attack the post, not the poster.

WhiteBlue ban ends tomorrow. The fact that he was banned temporarily is not a license to abuse him, btw. I've known him for years, I consider him a friend and I think he is simply "carried away" sometimes.

I hope he will be able to correct his style and concentrate in the threads. I also hope other members, who are used to insult him and others, will learn: long PMs from moderators, asking to behave, will be less in the future. If you haven't received one of those PMs, you should not be worried at all.

Many people in this forum has said to us, mods, that they're tired of threads with no substance, no research, no links, no reflections, no tact and no prospective thoughts. It's about time to change a bit, don't you, guys, think?

If you wish to argue endlessly, giving only your opinions, you always can go to your local pub. However, drunkard arguments are boring as hell.

There are plenty of forums devoted to that "drunkard-opinionated-pal style", but this one tries hard to be a different one in the F1 forum landscape, because you, the members, are a different kind of people (or so I think, watching the many beautiful, considerated, good humoured, full of knowledge and well researched posts that adorn this place).

Now, let's go back in peace to the thread, shall we?

[Giblet]

I hope the teams understand what they are about to do, fully. It can be hard to take a good long at yourself sometimes.

What happens when Mclaren and Ferrari have a row over something? Will all the teams vote on everything? Will they have to set up their own FIA equivalent?

[tarzoon]

So, what will this website be re-named for? FOTAtechical.net?

At this point in time I am really wishing for some racing series where the teams and drivers are allowed to give their best without the constant rule changing.

Whatever FOTA decides, I hope it's not only on the best interest of the teams, but also on the best interest of the fans. They have a point in saying that £40M budget cap will force them to sack very qualified staff.

How will a new governing body act? Who will be in charge? Will it be biased towards one team? We've seen arguments like that in the past, where the likes of Ferrari are supposedly "helped by rules". How long will it take to get the new break away series up and running, with all contracts in place?

Isn't it easier to replace Max Mosley by someone else?

[monkeyboy1976]

I hope the teams understand what they are about to do, fully. It can be hard to take a good long at yourself sometimes.

What happens when Mclaren and Ferrari have a row over something? Will all the teams vote on everything? Will they have to set up their own FIA equivalent?

I guess the governance of the new championship is sketched out and agreed between the teams (probably based on what was planned for the GPWC). Just have to hope that the fact that the teams have stick together through this episode will ensure cooporation in future.
Agreed with your concern over whether the teams have thought it through 100% but I suppose they have too much to lose if they didin't.

[Ciro Pabón]

So, what will this website be re-named for? FOTAtechical.net?

The thought has already crossed our minds... (thanks for this drawing to my friend Manchild, photoshopper extraordinaire, someone we miss here and who created the current logo):

[johnny99]

I hope the teams understand what they are about to do, fully. It can be hard to take a good long at yourself sometimes.

What happens when Mclaren and Ferrari have a row over something? Will all the teams vote on everything? Will they have to set up their own FIA equivalent?

Completely agree. It's all well and good getting rid of Max, but handing over power of Grand Prix Racing to manufacturers is not so smart. The manufacturers have come and gone when it suits them, except the red cars. They were the ones who complained about the cost of engine development, which they have no one else to blame but themselves. When the FIA put forward a rev limit on the V10, the manufacturers wanted a V8, which cost even more money to develop, it's not as simple as cutting off 2 cylinders.

I believe that it's time for Max to go, but keep the manufacturers away from power.

John

[monkeyboy1976]

Send our regards to Manchild. He must enjoy seeing Mosely squirm!

[Sawtooth-spike]

Ahh Manchild, Send our Regards!

With Max and Bernie Gone will we see his return?

The Killer for FOTA will be TV rights, If they dont have that they are screwed!