2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[chrisc90]

Is moving the driver back going to find the 1/2 second deficit to Ferrari or Red Bull? Very very unlikely. I wonder how much designing a new tub, getting it approved is going to cost (bearing in mind the FIA need a few to crash test to ensure they meet the standards required so at a big loss there straight away - especially for in season development where some teams say budget is extremely tight.)

They are as far forward as they are, because of how they decided to package the car.

They aren't getting a new tub/chassis till next season, it's to $$$ to do so this year unless they want zero development the rest of the season.

Keep in mind you need at least 4, one for the FIA to destroy during testing, one for each driver, and a spare!

Toto said Merc are working on it. Whether its this season or next the article doesnt suggest.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/toto-wolf ... omplaints/

Seriously cant see it being this season.

[Puffpirat]

They’ll change the driving position if they see a performance increase, not because they want to benefit one driver or the other.

It’s Merc we’re talking about, the team that even swapped the pit crews between Lewis and Nico…

[zibby43]

Even if it might not be the fastest route and may upset the other driver who feels comfortable that way?

See my edited post above. Change may do them some good considering the car cannot compete for championships and is falling further from the very front with the existing concept.

Also, why are you concerned that a certain choice “may” upset George, but have zero concern that a current choice “is” upsetting Hamilton? What am I missing here?

Because, this route is what they think is fastest, hence them going in that direction?

Have you missed the last month where they have publicly discussed that they are going in a different direction? Clearly wouldn’t be doing a switch to what they believed to be a slower concept.

[harty71]

See my edited post above. Change may do them some good considering the car cannot compete for championships and is falling further from the very front with the existing concept.

Also, why are you concerned that a certain choice “may” upset George, but have zero concern that a current choice “is” upsetting Hamilton? What am I missing here?

Because, this route is what they think is fastest, hence them going in that direction?

Have you missed the last month where they have publicly discussed that they are going in a different direction? Clearly wouldn’t be doing a switch to what they believed to be a slower concept.

No, but seating position wasn't talked about until Hamilton mentioned it the other week, interestingly they had the same position last season but we never heard of it.

[dans79]

No, but seating position wasn't talked about until Hamilton mentioned it the other week, interestingly they had the same position last season but we never heard of it.

That's because last season driver confort/feeling was the least of their issues!

[zibby43]

No, but seating position wasn't talked about until Hamilton mentioned it the other week, interestingly they had the same position last season but we never heard of it.

That's because last season driver confort/feeling was the least of their issues!

Precisely. Balance counted for little until they could tame the violent porpoising.

[mendis]

See my edited post above. Change may do them some good considering the car cannot compete for championships and is falling further from the very front with the existing concept.

Also, why are you concerned that a certain choice “may” upset George, but have zero concern that a current choice “is” upsetting Hamilton? What am I missing here?

Because, this route is what they think is fastest, hence them going in that direction?

Have you missed the last month where they have publicly discussed that they are going in a different direction? Clearly wouldn’t be doing a switch to what they believed to be a slower concept.

Their correlation so far has been impeccable!

[PlatinumZealot]

Where are things going to go if they move the seat backwards? I imagine the packaging is already fairly tight anyhow from the driver back over. Could they make the car longer?

1. Moving the front wheels forward
2. Moving the cockpit backward.

https://i.imgur.com/OlGA5Rn.jpeg

You guys gotta be clear...

Is it sear or cockpit?

If it's the seat it's a driver's personal preference for comfort and it is a shame if Mercedes designed the chassis so the seat cannot go back any more.

If it's the cockpit itself then not much can be done without major changes of course.

[zibby43]

Where are things going to go if they move the seat backwards? I imagine the packaging is already fairly tight anyhow from the driver back over. Could they make the car longer?

1. Moving the front wheels forward
2. Moving the cockpit backward.

https://i.imgur.com/OlGA5Rn.jpeg

You guys gotta be clear...

Is it sear or cockpit?

If it's the seat it's a driver's personal preference for comfort and it is a shame if Mercedes designed the chassis so the seat cannot go back any more.

If it's the cockpit itself then not much can be done without major changes of course.

Yeah lots of people have been conflating seating position with cockpit positioning. The latter effectively has an impact on the former relative to the front wheels. But it’s the cockpit/crash structure/radiator packaging that’s going to be part of the 2024 chassis change IMO.

[torpor]

I think the seating position is a side issue. If the Mercedes were as fast and superior as the W05, but Russell and Hamilton would have to sit on the front wing, they wouldn't be talking about the seating position.

[Big Tea]

How much does the height difference of the driver make?
Ham at 1.74 and Rus at 1.85?
I would assume this would be 'adjusted out' at either end, (seat and peddles) not just by mowing the seat back?
There is also the unknown of where the drivers have the 'extra' height. If it is in legs it would be more troublesome than a long body.

[wogx]

[chrisc90]

How much does the height difference of the driver make?
Ham at 1.74 and Rus at 1.85?
I would assume this would be 'adjusted out' at either end, (seat and peddles) not just by mowing the seat back?
There is also the unknown of where the drivers have the 'extra' height. If it is in legs it would be more troublesome than a long body.

Interesting regarding the positioning of pedals. Sure I’ve seen George wearing knee pads when he got out the car. (From memory the last race where he and max confronted each other.

[Big Tea]

How much does the height difference of the driver make?
Ham at 1.74 and Rus at 1.85?
I would assume this would be 'adjusted out' at either end, (seat and peddles) not just by mowing the seat back?
There is also the unknown of where the drivers have the 'extra' height. If it is in legs it would be more troublesome than a long body.

Interesting regarding the positioning of pedals. Sure I’ve seen George wearing knee pads when he got out the car. (From memory the last race where he and max confronted each other.

I was more considering that as Ham is shorter, if it is in the leg his seat could be moved forward but Rus could not, and if it is in the upper body Rus would sit 'straighter' so feel more forward as his centre would be more under his head and maybe not feel feel the difference so much as a more prone Ham

[PlatinumZealot]

https://wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/24ffde27d ... 236019.png

The stitching in the clothes and the helmets can be used for scaling i suppose.