2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

This forum contains threads to discuss teams themselves. Anything not technical about the cars, including restructuring, performances etc belongs here.
User avatar
chrisc90
41
Joined: 23 Feb 2022, 21:22

Re: 2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

Puffpirat wrote:
07 May 2023, 15:08
Stats can’t prove that, which I guess you are aware off. But name a better pairing I’ll wait. With the exception I already made myself. But checo has yet to prove himself competitive/consistent over a full season.
2022 checo proved to be competitive and consistent over the full season. Do you forget he finished 3rd in the WDC? Max #1 and checo #3. Ain't going to get a higher combination of drivers than that.

You cant claim that 2 drivers, in a car thats struggling, is the best pair on the grid. George is only 1.5years into his role in Merc, he isnt a seasoned driver yet.

Id probably say the best pairing are RB, Ferrari, Merc, AMR. in that order.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

User avatar
AMG.Tzan
44
Joined: 24 Jan 2013, 01:35
Location: Greece

Re: 2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

chrisc90 wrote:
07 May 2023, 15:03
Puffpirat wrote:
07 May 2023, 14:55
One might think Merc has other problems than worrying about their driver paring. Which is the strongest on the grid, maybe challenged by a 100% on form Perez + Verstappen.
What stats prove that the pairing is the strongest on the grid? :?
There’s no need for stats to prove a point!

Look at where Checo was when there was competition in 2021-early 2022 and look at where Russell is these last two years! We know that Verstapen and Hamilton are pretty much equal in talent after watching 2021!

Perez can only fight Verstapen on street courses! On normal tracks he’s nowhere near! Russell is always close to Hamilton!

Another very strong pairing is Leclerc-Sainz!
"The only rule is there are no rules" - Aristotle Onassis

Puffpirat
Puffpirat
1
Joined: 19 Jul 2022, 00:18

Re: 2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

Checo dropping the ball after Monaco and finishing third behind a Ferrari kinda proves my point more than yours don’t you think?

I mean you putting Sainz/Leclerc over Hamilton/Russell just tells me I’ll stop here :)

User avatar
chrisc90
41
Joined: 23 Feb 2022, 21:22

Re: 2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

Puffpirat wrote:
07 May 2023, 15:22
Checo dropping the ball after Monaco and finishing third behind a Ferrari kinda proves my point more than yours don’t you think?

I mean you putting Sainz/Leclerc over Hamilton/Russell just tells me I’ll stop here :)
Absolutely pointless going round in circles as will just end up with the driver A better than driver B in the team, then you will get people saying only won because of this misfortune, engine blew up, knocked out the race etc.

Personally I wouldnt put a driver being closely matched to their team mate as one of the main factors of having the best driver pairing on the grid; but your welcome to conclude your opinion with that choice.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

Hammerfist
Hammerfist
0
Joined: 06 Apr 2017, 04:18

Re: 2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

Puffpirat wrote:
07 May 2023, 15:22
Checo dropping the ball after Monaco and finishing third behind a Ferrari kinda proves my point more than yours don’t you think?

I mean you putting Sainz/Leclerc over Hamilton/Russell just tells me I’ll stop here :)
You should stop when he mentions Aston Martin among his best pairings. Alonso is good yes, but stroll does not really belong on an f1 grid. That is the general consensus among most reputable f1 pundits.

User avatar
JordanMugen
85
Joined: 17 Oct 2018, 13:36

Re: 2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

chrisc90 wrote:
07 May 2023, 15:03
Puffpirat wrote:
07 May 2023, 14:55
One might think Merc has other problems than worrying about their driver paring. Which is the strongest on the grid, maybe challenged by a 100% on form Perez + Verstappen.
What stats prove that the pairing is the strongest on the grid? :?
They have two tier one drivers, while other teams like Ferrari, Red Bull, and Aston Martin only have one? :)

Of course, McLaren may also have two tier drivers, but early days yet for Mr. Piastri!

harty71
harty71
-2
Joined: 14 Nov 2022, 10:03

Re: 2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

3.r.i.i.i wrote:
07 May 2023, 22:04
Merc have F2 car. wow
George is doing fine with it.

xaero
xaero
0
Joined: 20 Jul 2021, 09:18

Re: 2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

harty71 wrote:
07 May 2023, 22:08
3.r.i.i.i wrote:
07 May 2023, 22:04
Merc have F2 car. wow
George is doing fine with it.
Well it depends on standards :lol:
We need a miracle. We need only one racing lap.

harty71
harty71
-2
Joined: 14 Nov 2022, 10:03

Re: 2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

xaero wrote:
07 May 2023, 22:53
harty71 wrote:
07 May 2023, 22:08
3.r.i.i.i wrote:
07 May 2023, 22:04
Merc have F2 car. wow
George is doing fine with it.
Well it depends on standards :lol:
They went out of the window at the beginning of last season.

Jdn1327
Jdn1327
1
Joined: 07 Apr 2022, 12:47

Re: 2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

This car has some good race pace. But alas both drivers struggle to find consistency over one lap. Was George last week and Lewis this week. Won't be too long before we see a double knockout in Q2 or God forbid Q1...

Jdn1327
Jdn1327
1
Joined: 07 Apr 2022, 12:47

Re: 2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

chrisc90 wrote:
07 May 2023, 11:56
SiLo wrote:
07 May 2023, 11:33
I'm sure neither driver cares much considering how trash the car is compared to where they expect to be.
Question is.....is the upgrades for the next race going to bring a second to the table to be competitive? The biggest threat this weekend for Merc is infact the cars behind. Look at what Haas have brought to the table, Alpine, Williams, Alfa of Bottas (2 tenths).....Those cars are within a tenth of George in the Merc in Q3. 8-9 tenths off Charles and Max who didn't get a run in Q3 (used their Q2 times). 6 tenths to Alonso.
That's a HUGE jump to be making with a upgrade package coming for the next race. I'm sure they have also brought the beginnings of said package with the revised lower suspension arms to re-direct the air flow. Whether that forms part of the new improved package and is designed to work with the 'upgraded car' is a different thing as it might not be fully optimised for the current setup (as I said before about phasing in upgrades)
I dont think the upgrade is going to do much. The base car itself is the problem. They're essentially trying to polish a turd and that in F1 is impossible. This is like Redbull all over again in 2015/2016...but at least it wasn't this bad.

harty71
harty71
-2
Joined: 14 Nov 2022, 10:03

Re: 2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

That was a good result considering the pace in qualifying. A stunning race from Russell, Hamilton needs to take a leaf out of his book, sometimes you've just got to send it. He redeemed himself slightly at the end with a big tyre advantage.

User avatar
chrisc90
41
Joined: 23 Feb 2022, 21:22

Re: 2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

Good drive from both.

The Hard - medium was definitely the way to go today. Good recovery from a poor quali for Lewis. Credit
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

harty71
harty71
-2
Joined: 14 Nov 2022, 10:03

Re: 2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

chrisc90 wrote:
07 May 2023, 23:19
Good drive from both.

The Hard - medium was definitely the way to go today. Good recovery from a poor quali for Lewis. Credit
The car is arguably the second fastest car on a Sunday, it's nowhere near as bad as people make out.

User avatar
chrisc90
41
Joined: 23 Feb 2022, 21:22

Re: 2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

harty71 wrote:
07 May 2023, 23:23
chrisc90 wrote:
07 May 2023, 23:19
Good drive from both.

The Hard - medium was definitely the way to go today. Good recovery from a poor quali for Lewis. Credit
It’ll be interesting to compare the pace today Vs Alonso and sainz. 2nd fastest might be a push, but 3rd is a decent call
The car is arguably the second fastest car on a Sunday, it's nowhere near as bad as people make out.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.