FOTA starts a breakaway series

[jddh1]

The FIA still beleives that Ferrari and the Red Bull teams are bound by contract to race in 2010. This would leave Ferrari (the main component of any FOTA breakaway series) in a legal limbo with a protracted set of court proceedings to deal with and hence distrupt, if not scupper, the rival series.
Any thoughts?

Ferrari says that they had rights to veto the proposed changes to the regulations. They did vote against, but FIA ignored that. So, Ferrari thinks their contract is no longer valid. We will see how things develop.

Ferrari has already taken that to court and lost, they didnt follow the proper procedure, and they have no legal ground to stand on... it looks to me that their selling out of the GPMA the first time will come back to bite them in the ass for the sum of a couple hundred million pounds.

However, that court recognized the fact that Ferrari had the right to veto. That means that Ferrari can veto any rule changes this year. If FIA does not accept, then the contract is void. I think Ferrari are fine.

To sum up:

• Veto is recognized
  Ferrari exercises veto against new rules
  Mad Max refuses veto
  Contract breached
  Ferrari in the clear

[DM0407]

Could teams like Ferrari/RBR/STR race under a different name? They could just hire a sub par cast and race with this year's chassis and then use their resources in a different series.

Fulfill their contracts with the FIA, but stick it to them at the same time. I don't think it would tarnish Ferrari's image as most people would understand why they would be second rate.

[FGD]

I'm wondering what the FIA can really do to stop the teams, drivers and even sponsors of a rival series from competing with FIA F1. Aren't there very strict anti-monopoly/anti-trust laws in Europe?

[FGD]

Could teams like Ferrari/RBR/STR race under a different name? They could just hire a sub par cast and race with this year's chassis and then use their resources in a different series.

Fulfill their contracts with the FIA, but stick it to them at the same time. I don't think it would tarnish Ferrari's image as most people would understand why they would be second rate.

Why couldn't they compete in BOTH as Ferrari?

[outer_bongolia]

The FIA still beleives that Ferrari and the Red Bull teams are bound by contract to race in 2010. This would leave Ferrari (the main component of any FOTA breakaway series) in a legal limbo with a protracted set of court proceedings to deal with and hence distrupt, if not scupper, the rival series.
Any thoughts?

Ferrari says that they had rights to veto the proposed changes to the regulations. They did vote against, but FIA ignored that. So, Ferrari thinks their contract is no longer valid. We will see how things develop.

Ferrari has already taken that to court and lost, they didnt follow the proper procedure, and they have no legal ground to stand on... it looks to me that their selling out of the GPMA the first time will come back to bite them in the ass for the sum of a couple hundred million pounds.

It might be cheaper to take two yellow cars to races which are 5 seconds off the pace and retire every single one.

[monkeyboy1976]

Could teams like Ferrari/RBR/STR race under a different name? They could just hire a sub par cast and race with this year's chassis and then use their resources in a different series.

Fulfill their contracts with the FIA, but stick it to them at the same time. I don't think it would tarnish Ferrari's image as most people would understand why they would be second rate.

I suppose if there is nothing in the contract preventing competing in a "F1 like" series at the same time then that might work. The additional costs would have to be covered somehow. Would FOM give them the same money if they fielded sub-standard cars/drivers?
Good thought though.

[jddh1]

Could teams like Ferrari/RBR/STR race under a different name? They could just hire a sub par cast and race with this year's chassis and then use their resources in a different series.

Fulfill their contracts with the FIA, but stick it to them at the same time. I don't think it would tarnish Ferrari's image as most people would understand why they would be second rate.

Why couldn't they compete in BOTH as Ferrari?

Relax guys, we'll find out soon enough. I'm sure Ferrari and FIA lawyers are better at thinking these things through than any of us. Besides, they have the contracts in front of them, not us.

[Conceptual]

Any thoughts?

Yeap.


The FOTA regs and the FIA regs are going to be very similar.

Ferrari/RBR could easily adapt chassis and enter them into the FIA championship with FOTA markings etc.


Even better, they could make a common chassis from FOTA funds, and enter 6 of them... what are they FIA going to do? Ban them?

OMG!

Do you even remember how much crap you just gave me over saying that same thing? Is that what you do? Argue until proven wrong, and then steal the argument for your own?

WOW!

FOTA= sunk because the FIA has them in their law trap now.

Everyone will start running away, and Ferrari, Red Bull, Brawn and Mclaren will all be back in F1 next year under the cap and making the most amazing F1 cars ever built.

Renault, Toyota, STR and BMW will then be the only members of FOTA, and on the outside.

Then 2010 will become and engine tweaking year with the $45MEUR AWD adaptable winged chassis.

And we will all be here talking about it, and speculating on what FOTA might have done if the FIA had just let them go like gentlemen.

It is going to be a crying shame really.

[timbo]

Mosely has responded with a fine forehand cross court smash.
FOTA has the ball in their court now but will the fans stay behind them?

Mosley's reaction is not totally surprising, and also delaying 2010 entry list announcement is sort of admittance that he won't like the perspective of not having FOTA teams next year.

[monkeyboy1976]

Could teams like Ferrari/RBR/STR race under a different name? They could just hire a sub par cast and race with this year's chassis and then use their resources in a different series.

Fulfill their contracts with the FIA, but stick it to them at the same time. I don't think it would tarnish Ferrari's image as most people would understand why they would be second rate.

Why couldn't they compete in BOTH as Ferrari?

Relax guys, we'll find out soon enough. I'm sure Ferrari and FIA lawyers are better at thinking these things through than any of us. Besides, they have the contracts in front of them, not us.

I hope it will be sorted soon. But I doubt it.

What a day. Done naff all work. TTFN until Monday.

[flynfrog]

ok I have the day off from work and way to much free time

[bjpower]

well i dont think legal matters can save max.
the new series can have masaritti(fearri) lexus(toyota) mini(bmw) renault probally have another company as well. they are different legal entities so they can do what they want.

worst case they may have to participate in F1 doesn't mean they have to compete!

this years car made from cheep materials and with drivers just sober enough to see.
that will cost them dam all.
hell get one of the mechanics to drive,he can set the car up himself, he wont have to do any pit stops as the car will run out of fuel before then.
so fly the mechanic around on ryan air and dhl can post the car everywhere else.
sorted!

[FGD]

ok I have the day off from work and way to much free time

Love it!

[kilcoo316]

Why is that kilcoo?

Sorry to dissappoint your ego, but the reason he is bad is the lift of money the little scrote takes for doing very little.


As mentioned elsewhere, FOTA have problems with monies they are due from FOM. So I'm not so sure they'll want to get back into bed with Ecclestone.

[ESPImperium]

Next card, Ferarri to sue Max Mosley personally for Deformation/Libel or something like it???

This is getting nasty, quickly. Concidering that Max Mosley has "reportedly" already been on the phone to other teams that were concidered to join F1 next year, the plot thickens.