2023 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

[Slahinki]

Lots of work to be done back in Woking before the next race, I'm sure. But it can't really get much worse than this race, so at least the only way is up.

[SilviuAgo]

Yup..Piastri finished the race before the cars in P11 or P12...great result from McLaren today. A sad shadow of once a great team.
And I bet the after race speach will be same bullshit from mister ceo and the new team principal: "not the result we wanted".."we knew will be hard".."we'll keep working".."we have a base line and we'll look at the data" bla bla bla. The same crap we are hearing for more than 10 years. If the guy with the sponsors is not capable to bring McLaren at least for podium.fight is free to go to Formula E, indy ,extreme or other --- he involved McLaren.
If Bruce was with us today would say that McLaren is about F1...not other non sens series. The glory is here, not else! Wake up guys!

[ort895]

Seems to me that they were planning on going softs>hard on a early stop and then hoping for a safety car to pit onto mediums or another set of new hards since they and Merc had a new second set.
Do they have any upgrades coming for Imola?

[Darth-Piekus]

Next GP is the trio of Imola, Barcelona and Monaco. All these races should suit the aerodynamic package of Mclaren with fast curves and minimum straights. Also is it correct that there is another upgrade at Barcelona that will suit up with the floor?

[Seerix]

TSU/STR who started around McL guys ended p11 and p12 some 2 seconds behind points with the normal Hard -> Med strategy, soft was a strange choice for starting tyre
3rd race out of 5 with 0 points, tough

[Stig14]

Not so sure the strategy team is on point anymore.
Like Brundle has said in the past. When you are the only ones doing something (choosing the softs in this case) you have more than likely got it wrong.

It was a gamble, wouldn't have made much difference anyway.

Exactly that. A gamble which relied on a SC or red flag that never came to be able to use the second set of hards/new mediums. Turned out to be a slow strategy in a clear race. We move on to the next one!

[UnaF1]

Just imagine if Ron hadn't been so uptight and that instead he gave the CTO title to Newey. How many titles are we talking about? Hmm...

[Ben1980]

TSU/STR who started around McL guys ended p11 and p12 some 2 seconds behind points with the normal Hard -> Med strategy, soft was a strange choice for starting tyre
3rd race out of 5 with 0 points, tough

But still out the points, so didn't make a difference.

Soft was hoped for a good jump at the start. Then maybe rain, or a crash and safety car. So many predicted a safety car. Yet, nothing.

[Ben1980]

Just imagine if Ron hadn't been so uptight and that instead he gave the CTO title to Newey. How many titles are we talking about? Hmm...

Well, he only won 2 in 7 years.

[bauc]

A race to forget.

[Seerix]

TSU/STR who started around McL guys ended p11 and p12 some 2 seconds behind points with the normal Hard -> Med strategy, soft was a strange choice for starting tyre
3rd race out of 5 with 0 points, tough

But still out the points, so didn't make a difference.

Soft was hoped for a good jump at the start. Then maybe rain, or a crash and safety car. So many predicted a safety car. Yet, nothing.

I do think P11 vs P17 is not the same, but you do you.
Piastri got a good start, he was P15 - it was for nothing as they pitted so early. I doubt they were hoping for rain to show up during those 5-6 laps they were on softs.
I am not sure how safety car benefits them when they are on softs or when they are 10s behind field on hards after they pitted? Doesn't safety car usually benefit guys going long on hards as they get track position after medium ppl pitstop?

[Swed3121]

A race to forget.

Seems a lot of us thought we were back after Baku, turns out we’re at the back

[UnaF1]

Just imagine if Ron hadn't been so uptight and that instead he gave the CTO title to Newey. How many titles are we talking about? Hmm...

Well, he only won 2 in 7 years.

I wasn't talking about Verstappen... 5 constructors' and 6 drivers'

[JordanMugen]

A race to forget.

Seems a lot of us thought we were back after Baku, turns out we’re at the back

It did not go well, but the midfield is tight and it won't take much relative performance swing for McLaren to have a much higher relative position.

It's not like "at the back" as in Minardi-Cosworth "at the back" 5s/lap off pole.

Well, he only won 2 in 7 years.

I wasn't talking about Verstappen... 5 constructors' and 6 drivers'

I think you misunderstood. Newey didn't win many titles with McLaren, only '98 and '99. Whether that's because the Mercedes was unreliable after the beryllium ban (it's what made their long stroke engine reliable enough to rev as high as the short-stroke competition) or that the Bryne/Brawn/Ferrari combination was just plain better is hard to say or the politics of McLaren's engineering departments were too much for Newey to navigate (compare to Red Bull where he was authorised to set up the engineering and manufacturing departments exactly as he wished, removing people who were stuck in the Jaguar/Stewart ways from the operations).

Arguably Schumacher may have been a better driver than Raikkonen at the time. But even when the competition was Renault in 2005 (again maybe Alonso was always better than Raikkonen all along?), perhaps the McLaren was too unreliable.

[MrGapes]

Lando jumped three positions at the start, then taken out, Oscar had a very good start as well, but I think those softs were probably going to fall off anyway..

If you watched Friday the Mclaren was horrible on the mediums… so maybe that’s why they started on the softs..