2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[jambuka]

It’s the suspension guys. Nothing is going to happen unless they get a new suspension. At this point the car is so far behind they should just get everything at once. They are never going to catch RB, just aim to finish 2nd now.

[AR3-GP]

It’s the suspension guys. Nothing is going to happen unless they get a new suspension. At this point the car is so far behind they should just get everything at once. They are never going to catch RB, just aim to finish 2nd now.

Haas are using the same suspension and had a great race today for their car even though Magnussen only scored 1 point.

You might not think that's important to note, but it is as it puts the suspension arguments that some are trying to put all the blame onto into perspective. (The same way Aston Martin exposes Mercedes suspension arguments). Haas shouldn't be overtaking Ferrari on track under any condition...why did Ferrari's pace go so far backwards because of "suspension" yet Haas with the same suspension was fighting them on the track instead of also suffering the issues Ferrari have?

[jambuka]

It’s the suspension guys. Nothing is going to happen unless they get a new suspension. At this point the car is so far behind they should just get everything at once. They are never going to catch RB, just aim to finish 2nd now.

Haas are using the same suspension and had a great race today for their car even though Magnussen only scored 1 point.

You might not think that's important to note, but it is as it puts the suspension arguments that some are trying to put all the blame onto into perspective. (The same way Aston Martin exposes Mercedes suspension arguments). Haas shouldn't be overtaking Ferrari on track under any condition...why did Ferrari's pace go so far backwards because of "suspension" yet Haas with the same suspension was fighting them on the track instead of also suffering the issues Ferrari have?

Agree, Ferrari did get the setup wrong, but out of 5 races how many have you seen Haas faster than Ferrari. On this instance Haas got the setup right, Ferrari didn’t. In order to challenge for at least 2nd they need to get a suspension to improve tire wear. They are never going to be able to solve tire issues just with setup improvements and front, rear wing changes, floor changes.

Car is equally fast as RB in 1 lap pace. So don’t think aero or engine definitely is affecting.

[Xwang]

It’s the suspension guys. Nothing is going to happen unless they get a new suspension. At this point the car is so far behind they should just get everything at once. They are never going to catch RB, just aim to finish 2nd now.

Haas are using the same suspension and had a great race today for their car even though Magnussen only scored 1 point.

You might not think that's important to note, but it is as it puts the suspension arguments that some are trying to put all the blame onto into perspective. (The same way Aston Martin exposes Mercedes suspension arguments). Haas shouldn't be overtaking Ferrari on track under any condition...why did Ferrari's pace go so far backwards because of "suspension" yet Haas with the same suspension was fighting them on the track instead of also suffering the issues Ferrari have?

Haas had a great race, but Ferrari should have way higher performances than Haas. For Haas getting a point is a miracle and something to be happy about, for a Ferrari it is a debacle. Ferrari should run to win races not to get 30 to 50 second from the leader every GP.

[Xyz22]

This is just another SF 90 / SF 1000. They don't even understand why they are slow. They don't know why the car changes behaviour with a different compound, and this has been the case for years. There is something wrong within the chassis of the car and no aero changes will fix it. Just like with the SF 21 they couldn't change the graining issue in front limited track like France or Qatar which was already present in the SF 1000 (remember Leclerc qualifying quite well and then losing 5–6 places in 3–4 laps in 2020?). They have lost their way after the 2018 season.... They got it right with the F1 75 pre TD 039 but things already started to change with France where the car was fast but all over the place... I don't think they even know why the car is behaving like that...

[AR3-GP]

It’s the suspension guys. Nothing is going to happen unless they get a new suspension. At this point the car is so far behind they should just get everything at once. They are never going to catch RB, just aim to finish 2nd now.

Haas are using the same suspension and had a great race today for their car even though Magnussen only scored 1 point.

You might not think that's important to note, but it is as it puts the suspension arguments that some are trying to put all the blame onto into perspective. (The same way Aston Martin exposes Mercedes suspension arguments). Haas shouldn't be overtaking Ferrari on track under any condition...why did Ferrari's pace go so far backwards because of "suspension" yet Haas with the same suspension was fighting them on the track instead of also suffering the issues Ferrari have?

Agree, Ferrari did get the setup wrong, but out of 5 races how many have you seen Haas faster than Ferrari. On this instance Haas got the setup right, Ferrari didn’t. In order to challenge for at least 2nd they need to get a suspension to improve tire wear. They are never going to be able to solve tire issues just with setup improvements and front, rear wing changes, floor changes.

Haas had a big floor upgrade this weekend. That's why they are only now showing this pace.

[Xwang]

This is just another SF 90 / SF 1000. They don't even understand why they are slow. They don't know why the car changes behaviour with a different compound, and this has been the case for years. There is something wrong within the chassis of the car and no aero changes will fix it. Just like with the SF 21 they couldn't change the graining issue in front limited track like France or Qatar which was already present in the SF 1000 (remember Leclerc qualifying quite well and then losing 5–6 places in 3–4 laps in 2020?). They have lost their way after the 2018 season.... They got it right with the F1 75 pre TD 039 but things already started to change with France where the car was fast but all over the place... I don't think they even know why the car is behaving like that...

I agree the car is a lemon!
If they change race format and give the points on the basis of qualification, then maybe it could be sometimes competitive.

[AR3-GP]

It’s the suspension guys. Nothing is going to happen unless they get a new suspension. At this point the car is so far behind they should just get everything at once. They are never going to catch RB, just aim to finish 2nd now.

Haas are using the same suspension and had a great race today for their car even though Magnussen only scored 1 point.

You might not think that's important to note, but it is as it puts the suspension arguments that some are trying to put all the blame onto into perspective. (The same way Aston Martin exposes Mercedes suspension arguments). Haas shouldn't be overtaking Ferrari on track under any condition...why did Ferrari's pace go so far backwards because of "suspension" yet Haas with the same suspension was fighting them on the track instead of also suffering the issues Ferrari have?

Haas had a great race, but Ferrari should have way higher performances than Haas. For Haas getting a point is a miracle and something to be happy about, for a Ferrari it is a debacle. Ferrari should run to win races not to get 30 to 50 second from the leader every GP.

Yes but my point is Ferrari was way ahead of Haas in qualifying, yet they were struggling to beat Haas in the race. So how come a car with the same suspension gained ground on Ferrari during the race, when everyone is trying to blame Ferrari's pace loss on the suspension. So why didn't Haas have the same pace loss as Ferrari today? Haas brought a new floor this weekend and it worked great for them.

[Xyz22]

On an aerodynamic level, the car is there. You can't be on pole without enough DWF and good drag levels. This is why i believe they can't fix it with aero updates. Clearly there is something wrong elsewhere that doesn't allow the car to work correctly in race trim.

Haas are using the same suspension and had a great race today for their car even though Magnussen only scored 1 point.

You might not think that's important to note, but it is as it puts the suspension arguments that some are trying to put all the blame onto into perspective. (The same way Aston Martin exposes Mercedes suspension arguments). Haas shouldn't be overtaking Ferrari on track under any condition...why did Ferrari's pace go so far backwards because of "suspension" yet Haas with the same suspension was fighting them on the track instead of also suffering the issues Ferrari have?

Haas had a great race, but Ferrari should have way higher performances than Haas. For Haas getting a point is a miracle and something to be happy about, for a Ferrari it is a debacle. Ferrari should run to win races not to get 30 to 50 second from the leader every GP.

Yes but my point is Ferrari was way ahead of Haas in qualifying, yet they were struggling to beat Haas in the race. So how come a car with the same suspension gained ground on Ferrari during the race, when everyone is trying to blame Ferrari's pace loss on the suspension. So why didn't Haas have the same pace loss as Ferrari today? Haas brought a new floor this weekend and it worked great for them.

Haas has a competent Technical Director, unlike Ferrari.

[jambuka]

On an aerodynamic level, the car is there. You can't be on pole without enough DWF and good drag levels. This is why i believe they can't fix it with aero updates. Clearly there is something wrong elsewhere that doesn't allow the car to work correctly in race trim.

Haas had a great race, but Ferrari should have way higher performances than Haas. For Haas getting a point is a miracle and something to be happy about, for a Ferrari it is a debacle. Ferrari should run to win races not to get 30 to 50 second from the leader every GP.

Yes but my point is Ferrari was way ahead of Haas in qualifying, yet they were struggling to beat Haas in the race. So how come a car with the same suspension gained ground on Ferrari during the race, when everyone is trying to blame Ferrari's pace loss on the suspension. So why didn't Haas have the same pace loss as Ferrari today? Haas brought a new floor this weekend and it worked great for them.

Haas has a competent Technical Director, unlike Ferrari.

Yup if it was aero or engine deficit car wouldn’t be so close in qualy. The race pace goes to --- with 100kg additional weight. They need to bite the bullet, give up aspirations and atleast use this season to figure out the tire wear. Forget qualifying well just focus on race pace. On many tracks qualifying p5-p10 is not too bad if your race pace is good. Merc with such a shitty qualifying still come out ahead in the race.

[Xyz22]

On an aerodynamic level, the car is there. You can't be on pole without enough DWF and good drag levels. This is why i believe they can't fix it with aero updates. Clearly there is something wrong elsewhere that doesn't allow the car to work correctly in race trim.

Yes but my point is Ferrari was way ahead of Haas in qualifying, yet they were struggling to beat Haas in the race. So how come a car with the same suspension gained ground on Ferrari during the race, when everyone is trying to blame Ferrari's pace loss on the suspension. So why didn't Haas have the same pace loss as Ferrari today? Haas brought a new floor this weekend and it worked great for them.

Haas has a competent Technical Director, unlike Ferrari.

Yup if it was aero or engine deficit car wouldn’t be so close in qualy. The race pace goes to --- with 100kg additional weight. They need to bite the bullet, give up aspirations and atleast use this season to figure out the tire wear. Forget qualifying well just focus on race pace. On many tracks qualifying p5-p10 is not too bad if your race pace is good. Merc with such a shitty qualifying still come out ahead in the race.

They should do as you say to understand why the car is behaving like that. You can't overcome such a gap with just setup work. The car also changes completely from one compound to another. It's probably related to what an user (maybe Andy? I don't recall exactly) was reporting here about Ferrari not having a dedicated tyre department. It seems they don't understand how to make the tyres work on a regular basis. It has been a recurring issue and instead of improving from last year, it got even worse with this chassis.

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On an aerodynamic level, the car is there. You can't be on pole without enough DWF and good drag levels. This is why i believe they can't fix it with aero updates. Clearly there is something wrong elsewhere that doesn't allow the car to work correctly in race trim.

Haas had a great race, but Ferrari should have way higher performances than Haas. For Haas getting a point is a miracle and something to be happy about, for a Ferrari it is a debacle. Ferrari should run to win races not to get 30 to 50 second from the leader every GP.

Yes but my point is Ferrari was way ahead of Haas in qualifying, yet they were struggling to beat Haas in the race. So how come a car with the same suspension gained ground on Ferrari during the race, when everyone is trying to blame Ferrari's pace loss on the suspension. So why didn't Haas have the same pace loss as Ferrari today? Haas brought a new floor this weekend and it worked great for them.

Haas has a competent Technical Director, unlike Ferrari.

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[jambuka]

The most surprising thing for me is that they did not discover the inconsistency in high fuel runs. Neither Charles or Carlos car.

[Andres125sx]

Seems like some guys here are just 1 crash away from peddling the “too many mistakes” narrative or bringing up sainz is equal-esque debate over here. The way comments fire in make it look like they enjoy this situation.

That´s better than bashing drivers even when they do no mistakes at all, as you did with Sainz only some posts above

if you have two young driver, you will get these kind of issues. Ferrari need experience driver. Just see how both are making mistake in alternate races. I don't see any good weekend for both the drivers. I think one of them will be kicked out from Ferrari if it continues. Mostly Saniz will be out from Ferrari this year.

Fact: Lecrerc crash
Conclusion: Sainz must be replaced

Yes. because Lecrec is Ferrari boy.

Fanboyism should never be a reason for anything

[Venturiation]

We all saw with our eyes Leclerc's car jumping all over in the race, especially when it went lower on fuel. In what part of Fp1,2,3,Q you saw this behavior in the car?
Thats why i said what i said about the team did something wrong when fixing it. After all you cannot change the setup of the car and only parts with the same settings. Fia is there watching this stuff.

Go watch the practice Ferrari was porpoising again and Mercedes