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[PlatinumZealot]

No one knows how much faster the RB16B was more than the Mercedes. The same way we had no clue that the F2008 was crazy fast agains the Mclaren when Lewis and Alonso was driving it. It's only by revision when we see Alonso Vs Kimi that we know that Ferrari was much faster.

[Airshifter]

Polls on the GOAT don't belong in the Red Bull team thread.

[AR3-GP]

An hour ago, an RBR insider wrote the following:

There is not that much to report. Those gearbox problems in the last race were bigger than people want to let on. Power had to be cut back considerably.
There is now a solution to that. Let's see if that is indeed THE solution under race conditions.

One update in the pipeline is worth 2.5 tenths in the simulator and another even 3 tenths ( and a bit).
Together with the over 4 tenths of reduced power, that does indicate the huge task the competitors have.

Make of this what you will, from Wouterf1 @AS Forum.

On another note. Here's a reminder of what is to come.

[mendis]

You can vote who is the GOAT. After last race Gazetta della Sport is suggesting that Max is within reach of the top step.
https://www.gazzetta.it/Formula-1/09-05 ... ppen.shtml

I think thats premature, but he shows to be among the greatest, no doubt.

Problem with Max is that he's just like Vettel in 2013 at this point. He hasn't faced a serious rival in the same car to really know how good he is. Sadly Christian would never pair him with Lando or LeClerc.

What fight did Lewis have in his winning years, with those dominant cars? I am really curious.

[AR3-GP]

Shall we finish this up in the FIA thread?

[KimiRai]

Polls on the GOAT don't belong in the Red Bull team thread.

You are right, sorry to get offtopic. To be honest, its easy to do so because areas of knowledge are not isolated.

[DGP123]

You can vote who is the GOAT. After last race Gazetta della Sport is suggesting that Max is within reach of the top step.
https://www.gazzetta.it/Formula-1/09-05 ... ppen.shtml

I think thats premature, but he shows to be among the greatest, no doubt.

Problem with Max is that he's just like Vettel in 2013 at this point. He hasn't faced a serious rival in the same car to really know how good he is. Sadly Christian would never pair him with Lando or LeClerc.

What fight did Lewis have in his winning years, with those dominant cars? I am really curious.

Agree. Needs a direct teammate battle. Hamilton matched Alonso in his debut season, Hamilton v Rosberg twice went to AD. He had the battle with Vettel throughout the 2017 season. Three world champions.

Premature to put him amongst the greatest, as Max lucked out in, 21’, when he looked beaten by Hamilton, and then he’s beaten a pretty poor Perez. Not even comparable.

[mendis]

Problem with Max is that he's just like Vettel in 2013 at this point. He hasn't faced a serious rival in the same car to really know how good he is. Sadly Christian would never pair him with Lando or LeClerc.

What fight did Lewis have in his winning years, with those dominant cars? I am really curious.

Agree. Needs a direct teammate battle. Hamilton matched Alonso in his debut season, Hamilton v Rosberg twice went to AD. He had the battle with Vettel throughout the 2017 season. Three world champions.

Premature to put him amongst the greatest, as Max lucked out in, 21’, when he looked beaten by Hamilton, and then he’s beaten a pretty poor Perez. Not even comparable.

Moved the discussion here.

viewtopic.php?p=1133528&sid=4f1f22102ee ... 1#p1133528

[dxpetrov]

This is great stuff and just mental!
They say we should get it printed on a t-shirt and sell as merchandise.
Max's lap time diagram across the race.

[Sieper]

No one knows how much faster the RB16B was more than the Mercedes. The same way we had no clue that the F2008 was crazy fast agains the Mclaren when Lewis and Alonso was driving it. It's only by revision when we see Alonso Vs Kimi that we know that Ferrari was much faster.

But everyone knows how much faster the W12 was. It was a mighty drive by the current champion Max Verstappen.

[AR3-GP]

Ricciardo will be driving the RB19 in a test with Pirelli after Silverstone: https://racingnews365.com/ricciardo-to- ... rn-in-july

"I've been in the simulator, but I will drive the RB19 in July after the Silverstone race – I'm getting a Pirelli test," said Ricciardo.

"Then maybe I'll get another one after Monza as well in September. A couple of months away [and] I'll get to feel what it's like."

"But I'm just excited to drive again and to just try to remind a team obviously I once had a lot of success with that I can still turn a fast lap."

[Farnborough]

I doubt there'll be much public information available to see where he stands pace wise, but would be interesting to see for us the observers out here.

Must be a consideration for AT next year, surely

[AR3-GP]

I doubt there'll be much public information available to see where he stands pace wise, but would be interesting to see for us the observers out here.

Must be a consideration for AT next year, surely

He will be on experimental tires so laptimes would be meaningless.

[mendis]

https://www.grandprix247.com/2023/05/11 ... wn-people/

That is what Helmut Marko claimed, speaking to F1-Insider, he said: “It seems [Toto] Wolff has no confidence that his own people can solve the problems with the Mercedes.”

The attempts to sign Newey by Mercedes definitely points to desperation in Mercedes. It's not a good sign for them and on the other hand, securing Newey's services at Red Bull points to continued domination.

[vorticism]

The shadow of Brixworth looms large over Brackley. Newey also turned down Ferrari years ago.