2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

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I doubt much money was saved.

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ME4ME wrote:
17 May 2023, 15:26
I doubt much money was saved.
I agree, much of the weekend is prepaid. The only benefit is with regards to the car mileage. 1 less GP weekend will mean they can complete the season with slightly fewer parts related to service life replacements and crashes.
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wogx wrote:
17 May 2023, 13:40
Maybe even God doesn't want their domination to return, but flooding a whole region to prevent it was to much IMO /s
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AR3-GP wrote:
17 May 2023, 13:37
Hmm this GP cancellation will put Merc 2-3 weeks behind. Monaco is useless.
Will not be surprised if the upgrades are pushed back to Spain.

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Hammerfist wrote:
17 May 2023, 19:22
AR3-GP wrote:
17 May 2023, 13:37
Hmm this GP cancellation will put Merc 2-3 weeks behind. Monaco is useless.
Will not be surprised if the upgrades are pushed back to Spain.
If they were due for Imola, they must have already been manufactured and at the circuit. Unless the cancellation means this event doesn't count towards the budget cap, in which case they could write off the updates and bring new ones in a few weeks?

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icantride wrote:
17 May 2023, 19:53
Hammerfist wrote:
17 May 2023, 19:22
AR3-GP wrote:
17 May 2023, 13:37
Hmm this GP cancellation will put Merc 2-3 weeks behind. Monaco is useless.
Will not be surprised if the upgrades are pushed back to Spain.
If they were due for Imola, they must have already been manufactured and at the circuit. Unless the cancellation means this event doesn't count towards the budget cap, in which case they could write off the updates and bring new ones in a few weeks?
Very very unlikely it will be adjusted in the budget cap.
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If I'm not mistaken TW recently described this process as :- accounting for all the elements, starting with cost of block of aluminium, time, design, power consumption of milling etc to make the true cost of for example a suspension item, making it important at some point in commitment to produce this item.

Then I thought it passes to store inventory with that true cost attached to it, only when it's fitted for use will it come off store inventory and onto cost of racing. Unused items, I think, are like any other logical inventory system, place it back into store, without use, and it still doesn't count.

Keeping track of this process is quite some task to make certain that mistakes are not made. Auditing of records being part of FIA examination to verify compliance. These records need to be traceable, credible and accurate as any accounting system demands.

Emphasis is that I understand this from those conversations published with team principal etc, and so may be incomplete. But that is standard accounting practice methodology in stock flow. Depending on what adherence the cost cap rules are detailed to establish this process.

There's no benefit here in not using the parts though, as it's the design effect that needs to be assessed to confirm the pathway chosen, this will lead on to further establish if they are moving in desired direction. There's no point in making a second iteration as they don't know yet if it succeeds on track vs simulation.

It's not as if they were going to be super competitive at Monaco anyway with the original concept etc :D

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chrisc90 wrote:
17 May 2023, 20:37
icantride wrote:
17 May 2023, 19:53
Hammerfist wrote:
17 May 2023, 19:22


Will not be surprised if the upgrades are pushed back to Spain.
If they were due for Imola, they must have already been manufactured and at the circuit. Unless the cancellation means this event doesn't count towards the budget cap, in which case they could write off the updates and bring new ones in a few weeks?
Very very unlikely it will be adjusted in the budget cap.
Agreed. If the upgrades were scheduled for Imola, then they exist and are already at the circuit. That cost is sunk now. Another week to wait to see if they work

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Monaco can be used to test the upgrades... Juat don't tune the car for optimal Monaco time. Tune to test different parts in different section.
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How is the W14 is very slow corner ?
Does it even stand a chance to do a podium in Monaco without the upgrades?

If I recall correctly it’s been bad so fare compare to AM and of course RB?

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Upgrade package coming in Monaco.


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pursue_one's wrote:
18 May 2023, 12:25
Upgrade package coming in Monaco.

In hindsight, this makes sense because the cars had already been built up partially and with spares and reconfigured for upgrades then sent to Imola. It wouldn’t be efficient to strip the cars down including the new suspension and so on just to build up the old spec again, especially if they don’t even have spares of the old car anymore due to the planned obsolescence.
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They'd have been running with this if Imola had gone ahead, that's the new stuff in Monaco I mean. Might as well continue with run plan + relevant spares etc.

It also provides a window into next year too, with this change in concept ultimately heading for 24 championship performance.

Understanding now how this iteration compares to 22 Monaco is very valuable in terms of understanding the current thinking on car philosophy and the shift they hope it will bring.

Vital importance to MB right now is development path for 24 tub etc, that coming now will help the commitment that's to be made in these coming months for that specification. Any look at this will help in catching competitors ultimately.

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They've released a how to do an upgrade video.

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Can the misunderstanding of the car and the correlation issues lead to better performance than expected for Mercedes' case? I remember McLaren 2012 to be such a case.
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