2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

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Could well be the Twitter ones.

What photos have you seen of the ‘new’ car?
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
20 May 2023, 19:51
Rumours... The side pods are definitely different! But still zero pods...

Most of the magic is the floor and front suspension.
Eliott did say after bahrain that new sidepods are coming but will take 6 races to bring them
He said they will follow tye zeropds philosophy but will be very different, and won't look like anything from the other teams

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Is there a limit to how wide they can make the intakes?
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Up to as wide as side pod limit allows. But it will block the vortices from the side pod wings.
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Venturiation wrote:
20 May 2023, 20:15
PlatinumZealot wrote:
20 May 2023, 19:51
Rumours... The side pods are definitely different! But still zero pods...

Most of the magic is the floor and front suspension.
Eliott did say after bahrain that new sidepods are coming but will take 6 races to bring them
He said they will follow tye zeropds philosophy but will be very different, and won't look like anything from the other teams
He said that before Toto mentioned 2-3 tenths would not solve the problems and they need a more radical approach.

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maygun wrote:
21 May 2023, 20:52
Venturiation wrote:
20 May 2023, 20:15
PlatinumZealot wrote:
20 May 2023, 19:51
Rumours... The side pods are definitely different! But still zero pods...

Most of the magic is the floor and front suspension.
Eliott did say after bahrain that new sidepods are coming but will take 6 races to bring them
He said they will follow tye zeropds philosophy but will be very different, and won't look like anything from the other teams
He said that before Toto mentioned 2-3 tenths would not solve the problems and they need a more radical approach.
When Toto said that they needed a new design the engineers were already on it way before
They said they already saw the problems before coming to testing but wanted confirmation on track, on the shakedown too

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Venturiation wrote:
21 May 2023, 22:29
maygun wrote:
21 May 2023, 20:52
Venturiation wrote:
20 May 2023, 20:15


Eliott did say after bahrain that new sidepods are coming but will take 6 races to bring them
He said they will follow tye zeropds philosophy but will be very different, and won't look like anything from the other teams
He said that before Toto mentioned 2-3 tenths would not solve the problems and they need a more radical approach.
When Toto said that they needed a new design the engineers were already on it way before
They said they already saw the problems before coming to testing but wanted confirmation on track, on the shakedown too
They saw the problems but wanted confirmation? That doesn't seem so certain. If they were certain, then the launch spec was a waste of budget and time.
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AR3-GP wrote:
21 May 2023, 22:38
Venturiation wrote:
21 May 2023, 22:29
maygun wrote:
21 May 2023, 20:52


He said that before Toto mentioned 2-3 tenths would not solve the problems and they need a more radical approach.
When Toto said that they needed a new design the engineers were already on it way before
They said they already saw the problems before coming to testing but wanted confirmation on track, on the shakedown too
They saw the problems but wanted confirmation? That doesn't seem so certain. If they were certain, then the launch spec was a waste of budget and time.
There wasn't enough time to revert, it takes months to make a new car
That's why we were getting reports from formu1a.uno about problems during the winter
When they realized the issue it was already too late since they commited to that car during November 2022

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Still doesnt stack up to me.
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Venturiation wrote:
21 May 2023, 23:15
AR3-GP wrote:
21 May 2023, 22:38
Venturiation wrote:
21 May 2023, 22:29


When Toto said that they needed a new design the engineers were already on it way before
They said they already saw the problems before coming to testing but wanted confirmation on track, on the shakedown too
They saw the problems but wanted confirmation? That doesn't seem so certain. If they were certain, then the launch spec was a waste of budget and time.
There wasn't enough time to revert, it takes months to make a new car
That's why we were getting reports from formu1a.uno about problems during the winter
When they realized the issue it was already too late since they commited to that car during November 2022
Makes sense to me.

But where do those rumored aero parts scaling correlation issues in the wind tunnel fit in that timeline? The one that got people fired? Was it before the launch?

Also i dont remember elliott saying that it would be a zero pod. I know he talked to Ted during the pre season test and not during the race weekend. He said they would be different and look nothing like anyone elses car. I dont think the term zero pod came out of his mouth. I could be wrong on that though.

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Hammerfist wrote:
22 May 2023, 01:31
Venturiation wrote:
21 May 2023, 23:15
AR3-GP wrote:
21 May 2023, 22:38


They saw the problems but wanted confirmation? That doesn't seem so certain. If they were certain, then the launch spec was a waste of budget and time.
There wasn't enough time to revert, it takes months to make a new car
That's why we were getting reports from formu1a.uno about problems during the winter
When they realized the issue it was already too late since they commited to that car during November 2022
Makes sense to me.

But where do those rumored aero parts scaling correlation issues in the wind tunnel fit in that timeline? The one that got people fired? Was it before the launch?

Also i dont remember elliott saying that it would be a zero pod. I know he talked to Ted during the pre season test and not during the race weekend. He said they would be different and look nothing like anyone elses car. I dont think the term zero pod came out of his mouth. I could be wrong on that though.
They'll be zeropod because PZ said so :wink:
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Mike Elliot did mention that the upgraded car will be an evolution of their current concept. Perhaps it's more of a transition to a very early iteration of the W15?
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Unsure how believable these are:


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chrisc90 wrote:
21 May 2023, 23:19
Still doesnt stack up to me.
It does stack up. If a team spot a problem too late in the design process or when parts are already in production then all you can do is figure out the issues, then work on a fix/upgrade that you can bring to the car once the season has started (it happened to McLaren). You also have to remember that the crash tests for new cars are quite extensive with little time to fix problems to pass a test before the start of a season. So changing a design concept late in the day, just isn't practical under the cost cap if you want to be able to start the season and not miss races.

If the issues are down to the wind tunnel models not being upto spec and they have been fixed then I do think Mercedes can catch Red Bull before the regulations change in 2026. If I were a Mercedes fan I'd be hoping for steady improvements over the course of this season that gets them ever closer to Red Bull. They should be aiming to secure 2nd place in the Constructors championship. Red bull don't look catchable unless they have a slew of reliability issues and crashes.

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tinuva wrote:
22 May 2023, 10:41
Unsure how believable these are:

I think it's an interesting take on what a potential Mercedes sidepod revision could look like. That's just a show car but the idea is there. It's another idea which shows that it's possible for Merc to still look quite different to the others.

It remains to be seen what the actual car will look like however...
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