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[chrisc90]

Without the drivers, the sport doesn’t continue.

Football doesn’t change because new people are watching it

[Just_a_fan]

From an interview with Domenicali 20 May 2023 :
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‘But we have a new audience and need to provide value for money every session, not let everyone drive around in circles for the sole benefit of engineers and drivers.’

Funny thing is that that is exactly what motorsport is - it's being done by the engineers and drivers for their benefit. They really don't do it for anyone else. That other people might want to pay the circuits to watch them drive around in circles is not the reason the drivers compete.

It's a classic case of putting the cart before the horse. Racing isn't done for the spectators - they are a by-product, not the raison d’être.

Of course, the investors in F1 - Liberty et al - have to make the spectators the focus because that's where they are getting their money. But that's not why the people in the teams go racing.

[Zynerji]

From an interview with Domenicali 20 May 2023 :
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‘But we have a new audience and need to provide value for money every session, not let everyone drive around in circles for the sole benefit of engineers and drivers.’

Funny thing is that that is exactly what motorsport is - it's being done by the engineers and drivers for their benefit. They really don't do it for anyone else. That other people might want to pay the circuits to watch them drive around in circles is not the reason the drivers compete.

It's a classic case of putting the cart before the horse. Racing isn't done for the spectators - they are a by-product, not the raison d’être.

Of course, the investors in F1 - Liberty et al - have to make the spectators the focus because that's where they are getting their money. But that's not why the people in the teams go racing.

Racing is expensive. The compromise has always been how to keep the engineering and racing entertaining enough to attract eyeballs to sell ad space.

And the people that go racing, for the 99% that are not wealthy, simply do it for the paycheck. Yes they buy in on the team, but it's the paycheck and promotions that really matter.

[Just_a_fan]

From an interview with Domenicali 20 May 2023 :
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Funny thing is that that is exactly what motorsport is - it's being done by the engineers and drivers for their benefit. They really don't do it for anyone else. That other people might want to pay the circuits to watch them drive around in circles is not the reason the drivers compete.

It's a classic case of putting the cart before the horse. Racing isn't done for the spectators - they are a by-product, not the raison d’être.

Of course, the investors in F1 - Liberty et al - have to make the spectators the focus because that's where they are getting their money. But that's not why the people in the teams go racing.

Racing is expensive. The compromise has always been how to keep the engineering and racing entertaining enough to attract eyeballs to sell ad space.

And the people that go racing, for the 99% that are not wealthy, simply do it for the paycheck. Yes they buy in on the team, but it's the paycheck and promotions that really matter.

Agreed, but ultimately racing is not about the people watching. It's about the people doing it. You can have racing without spectators but not without the racers.

The problem with playing to the spectators' whims is that they change with the wind and you end up implementing stupid stuff like the sprint format, defined qualifying tyres, etc.. In the modern world where consumers have the attention span of a gnat, playing to them means you're always chasing your tail. It's a mug's game.

[AR3-GP]

Funny thing is that that is exactly what motorsport is - it's being done by the engineers and drivers for their benefit. They really don't do it for anyone else. That other people might want to pay the circuits to watch them drive around in circles is not the reason the drivers compete.

It's a classic case of putting the cart before the horse. Racing isn't done for the spectators - they are a by-product, not the raison d’être.

Of course, the investors in F1 - Liberty et al - have to make the spectators the focus because that's where they are getting their money. But that's not why the people in the teams go racing.

Racing is expensive. The compromise has always been how to keep the engineering and racing entertaining enough to attract eyeballs to sell ad space.

And the people that go racing, for the 99% that are not wealthy, simply do it for the paycheck. Yes they buy in on the team, but it's the paycheck and promotions that really matter.

Agreed, but ultimately racing is not about the people watching. It's about the people doing it. You can have racing without spectators but not without the racers.

The problem with playing to the spectators' whims is that they change with the wind and you end up implementing stupid stuff like the sprint format, defined qualifying tyres, etc.. In the modern world where consumers have the attention span of a gnat, playing to them means you're always chasing your tail. It's a mug's game.

There are different groups of spectators. Racing can still be about people watching (and to my awareness, it previously was), without it becoming a gimmick where fast cars and drivers are delivered blatant handicaps and it's no longer merit competition.

FOM just decided to sell out to a more profitable (?), but less interested, and less stable crowd. F1 is now heading towards the "socialite festival" with some noisy cars in the background.

Most other sports like Tennis, football, etc are still merit competitions at the core and the organizers didn't invent gimmicks that changed the competition or its formats. Imagine if they just butchered the olympics by deciding that a swimmer had to perform gymnastics instead...

[JordanMugen]

Football doesn’t change because new people are watching it

That's somewhat true, but it's not like the rules of Association Football, Rugby League, Rugby Union, Australian Rules Football and Gaelic Football don't change *at all*. They do. Most notably how Rugby and Association football went their separate ways in the first place, with the orphaned Australian Rules as shipped to Australia being the closest continuation of the prior form of English football (with elements of both Rugby and Association Football)!

Notably when the unlikely event of a Grand Final draw happened in Australia Rules football, while the traditional rematch was held the next work, the rules were amended to remove the next week rematch from the regulations and replace it with extra time. Broadcast demands overruling sporting tradition?

Besides how long have penalty shootouts been used in place of unlimited blocks of extra time in Association Football? Even Wimbledon replaced the traditional unlimited match count per set with broadcast-friendly tie breakers to pander to broadcasters.

A quick Google suggests the penalty shootout was only introduced in 1970 (although not in time to be added to the rules for the 1970 World Cup). So it is a very modern development. (Fun fact: the so-called "traditional" association football World Cup ball with hexagonal panels was only introduced by Adidas at the 1966 World Cup. Association footballs had a panel layout similar to volleyballs before then. )

In a similar manner Grands Prix went from mostly 500km odd in the 1930's AIACR European championship (IIRC) to a mere 305km for most events in the Formula One world championship.

Most other sports like Tennis, football, etc are still merit competitions at the core and the organizers didn't invent gimmicks that changed the competition or its formats. Imagine if they just butchered the olympics by deciding that a swimmer had to perform gymnastics instead...

As above this is demonstrably untrue. Wimbledon removed the traditional unlimited matches per set (so unlimited match length), and other Grand Slam tournaments already were using gimmicky tie breakers anyway.

Australian Rules football replaced the traditional Grand Final rematch in case of draw with gimmicky extra time.

Association Football introduced the gimmicky penalty shootout to determine matches which were still drawn after extra time.

[organic]

https://formu1a.uno/f1-domenicali-lavor ... e-12-team/

The applications for F1 teams recently closed.. and now reports that domenicalli is seeking to create the new Concorde agreement to include 12 (!) teams. Advantage andretti..

[Wouter]

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The three Pirelli compound choices for the upcoming grands Prix in Canada, Austria, and Great Britain will be the same as last year.

The softest possible combination will be used in Montreal and Spielberg: C3 as P Zero White hard, C4 as P Zero Yellow medium and C5 as P Zero Red soft. By contrast, the C1 will be the hard tyre at Silverstone, C2 the medium, and C3 the soft.

Montreal, the home of the Formula 1 Pirelli Grand Prix du Canada from June 16-18, has a medium to fast layout While the Gilles Villeneuve circuit can be considered as a semi-permanent circuit, it has unforgiving walls and barriers right next to the racing line, leaving little margin for error but also presenting at least two good overtaking opportunities. It’s a track where stability under braking and good traction are vital to be competitive. The Canadian Grand Prix is a perennial favourite; not just because it’s often unpredictable – with the safety car being a regular feature – but also because of Montreal’s unique atmosphere throughout the grand prix week,

Two weeks after Canada, the Austrian Grand Prix takes place on the rapid Spielberg circuit, which has the lowest number of corners of any venue on the calendar: just 10 in total.
The Red Bull Ring hosts the second Sprint Race of the season on Saturday, preceded by the Sprint Shootout to determine its grid positions.

From July 7-9, Formula 1 returns to where the championship first began: Silverstone, which has a largely unaltered layout since the very first British Grand Prix in 1950. Pirelli’s new specification of tyre will make its debut on a track that is well-known for putting high lateral energy loads through the rubber, as a result of the many fast corners. This new specification, tried out by the teams during Friday free practice in Spain, is more resistant to fatigue thanks to the introduction of an already-homologated material originally planned for 2024, but is otherwise exactly the same as the specification that will be used up to the Austrian Grand Prix.

[Just_a_fan]

From July 7-9, Formula 1 returns to where the championship first began: Silverstone, which has a largely unaltered layout since the very first British Grand Prix in 1950.

Are they talking about the same Silverstone that F1 uses? It's been very heavily altered since 1950.



Perhaps that explains Pirelli's problems there over recent years.

[Zynerji]

What's the news on HAAS Alfa Romeo? Is there a thread?

[Wouter]

What's the news on HAAS Alfa Romeo? Is there a thread?

Yes, The 2023 Haas F1 Team thread.

viewtopic.php?t=30882&p=1139254#p1139254

[chrisc90]

I know there isnt a Canada GP thread yet, but does anyone think if the wildfires there change course or the wind changes then it might affect the GP?

[lio007]

I know there isnt a Canada GP thread yet, but does anyone think if the wildfires there change course or the wind changes then it might affect the GP?

Apparently not:

[mclaren111]

Racefans:

Mattia Binotto lashes out at Audi 'clowns' as ex-Ferrari chief rejects F1 return (Mirror)

'The Italian was even invited to visit the company's headquarters and meet the executives behind the project, as well as viewing their facilities.
But it appears the visit did not have the desired affect, with Binotto firmly rejecting Audi's offer. He had travelled to Germany with an 'open mind' and was prepared to take in Audi's presentation.
They failed to impress the Italian though and he was scathing of some of the people behind the Audi team.'

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula- ... l-30203218

Interesting...

[daneferrari]

Racefans:

Mattia Binotto lashes out at Audi 'clowns' as ex-Ferrari chief rejects F1 return (Mirror)

'The Italian was even invited to visit the company's headquarters and meet the executives behind the project, as well as viewing their facilities.
But it appears the visit did not have the desired affect, with Binotto firmly rejecting Audi's offer. He had travelled to Germany with an 'open mind' and was prepared to take in Audi's presentation.
They failed to impress the Italian though and he was scathing of some of the people behind the Audi team.'

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula- ... l-30203218

Interesting...

A secret grudge or disrespected?