2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[Farnborough]

Its a discussion about the MB team in a section of the forum created for that purpose. Where else would that reside?

It has absolutely nothing to do with Ferrari or anything else of another team.

[AR3-GP]

This upgrade package is exciting stuff. This budget cap era doesn't give us much to look at. Teams are being very miserly with development.

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This upgrade package is exciting stuff. This budget cap era doesn't give us much to look at. Teams are being very miserly with development.

Yes. It is a huge visual difference, but it seems the rumoured laptime gain may not reflect the significant bodywork change. Rather this large upgrade tells us where Mercedes are going now with the W15.

Others (amr, Ferrari) will be putting their development efforts into smaller more fruitful changes to the floor, as we've seen since the beginning of 2022. The floor edges and fences have changed relatively little since Bahrain '22 yet laptimes improve by over a second.. so the update's scope shows their intent to improve for 2024/2025 and not push the w14 as hard for laptime as they could in the short-term.

It'll also be interesting to see if the significant change to the front suspension will affect the Russell/ham dynamic. Their performance is very close and the change may swayy things one way or another. Hamilton has been very vocal about the w13/w14 not feeling like a race car to him whilst Russell has been happier so perhaps this update will make ham happier. On the other hand, the extreme anti-dive may not be as beneficial to a driver such as Hamilton who typically brakes very late

[AR3-GP]

It'll also be interesting to see if the significant change to the front suspension will affect the Russell/ham dynamic. The extreme anti-dive may not be as beneficial to a driver such as Hamilton who typically brakes very late and very hard.

Imo, the "story" about anti-dive creating significantly different braking feel for the driver was blown out of proportion.

[organic]

It'll also be interesting to see if the significant change to the front suspension will affect the Russell/ham dynamic. The extreme anti-dive may not be as beneficial to a driver such as Hamilton who typically brakes very late and very hard.

Imo, the "story" about anti-dive creating significantly different braking feel for the driver was blown out of proportion.

Most likely, but still a narrative ahead of Monaco - supposedly the "driver's track" - that I will entertain

[continuum16]

The irony is that there has been a lot of division over whether the suspension or the sidepods are the issue, and they’ve changed them both at once so we’ll never know which was more of a problem

[AR3-GP]

The irony is that there has been a lot of division over whether the suspension or the sidepods are the issue, and they’ve changed them both at once so we’ll never know which was more of a problem

They have no idea how frustrating that will be for the us on this forum

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The irony is that there has been a lot of division over whether the suspension or the sidepods are the issue, and they’ve changed them both at once so we’ll never know which was more of a problem

I will cling to the hope that one of them gets reverted to previous spec...

[chrisc90]

What was the video that either Kyle or Shub done that showed how the pressure acted on top and below a sidepod intake? Im sure ive seen it somewhere and that the pressure acts differently/flow different at the lip of the sidepod (hence the RB has a longer lower section).

It will be interesting to see how that would play out given the top is now (presumably) closed in to the midwing

[Vaexa]

It'll also be interesting to see if the significant change to the front suspension will affect the Russell/ham dynamic. The extreme anti-dive may not be as beneficial to a driver such as Hamilton who typically brakes very late and very hard.

Imo, the "story" about anti-dive creating significantly different braking feel for the driver was blown out of proportion.

The whole anti-dive thing is a frustrating bit of journalist lore, much like Mercedes' magical squatting suspension in 2021 (you know, the same general principle the entire grid bar I think Marussia ran since the mid-2000s). A lot of it originates from Reddit (wrongest opinions on the internet) or F1's own tech talk show which needs to create talking points in a way the average viewer will understand.

[ValeVida46]

Its a discussion about the MB team in a section of the forum created for that purpose. Where else would that reside?

It has absolutely nothing to do with Ferrari or anything else of another team.

It absolutely does as a comparative point. They are all team threads. You don't operate under a different set of rules for a differing team thread. And if so, maybe we found the problem.
Why does the Ferrari thread get a free pass from statements made by their team, but Mercedes do not because of statement made by their team?

Alpine make statements every year about challenging for wins consistently as their goal. This is the standard they hold themselves to.
Ferrari made statements about challenging Red Bull for wins this year. The standard they hold themselves to.
I could literally go on and on for every single team.

So the common denomination is that they all hold themselves to lofty targets. Mercedes are no different.
The greater point is why would anyone who feels negatively about this team, feel it necessary to be the most contributed thread they post in?

Anyhow done posting on the matter, if mods are cool with it who am I to bring this to attention.

[Big Tea]

The irony is that there has been a lot of division over whether the suspension or the sidepods are the issue, and they’ve changed them both at once so we’ll never know which was more of a problem

If it fixes 'em

[AR3-GP]

The irony is that there has been a lot of division over whether the suspension or the sidepods are the issue, and they’ve changed them both at once so we’ll never know which was more of a problem

If it fixes 'em

Who was wrong on the internet is far more important

[Chuckjr]

Well one things for sure, the guys who thought the small pods idea were a good idea were dead wrong.

[hollus]

Shouldn’t we wait until this hits the track at least before calling that?