2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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AR3-GP wrote:
21 May 2023, 05:00
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21 May 2023, 01:59

In 2020 and 2021 there was no particular pace difference between qualifying and race, so I don’t know what you’re talking about.
Didn't Leclerc put it on pole in Baku and Monaco in '21? They definitely still showed signs of overperforming in qualifying relative to race pace.
To be fair both of those q3s were very odd. The Monaco one with leclerc crashing whilst in provisional pole & at Baku everyone's 2nd runs were ruined by tsunoda's red flag. Yes it's a street track and the first q3 run is very important for aforementioned reasons, but I'd say that there were other factors that made things a lot closer.

I think the car should have legitimately been close to or on pole in 2021 Monaco. But the Baku pole was not mostly down to the car

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organic wrote:
24 May 2023, 23:01
AR3-GP wrote:
21 May 2023, 05:00
LM10 wrote:
21 May 2023, 01:59

In 2020 and 2021 there was no particular pace difference between qualifying and race, so I don’t know what you’re talking about.
Didn't Leclerc put it on pole in Baku and Monaco in '21? They definitely still showed signs of overperforming in qualifying relative to race pace.
To be fair both of those q3s were very odd. The Monaco one with leclerc crashing whilst in provisional pole & at Baku everyone's 2nd runs were ruined by tsunoda's red flag. Yes it's a street track and the first q3 run is very important for aforementioned reasons, but I'd say that there were other factors that made things a lot closer.

I think the car should have legitimately been close to or on pole in 2021 Monaco. But the Baku pole was not mostly down to the car
Maybe, but slow cars don’t get P1 on their bankers. This rarely ever happens to Alpine or Mclaren. Even if he didn’t get pole, qualifying was still that car’s strength.

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Only Ferrari has Leclerc

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Timo Glock from trackside saying that Ferrari is looking best on track, best over curbs.

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SAI v ALO
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SAI v HAM
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SAI v PER
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Seems to me that SAI wasn't pushing to the limit from telemetry.
* His Ferrari showing really good traction accelerating out of slow corners like T1 or the hairpin (1250m) or the last corner. Pick your corner and the Ferrari has good acceleration out of it.
* I think either SAI has more downforce or their engine is still very detuned, the acceleration curve loses a lot in the top end.
* Speed at apex seems pretty comparable
* SAI seems very conservative on corner entry in particular T1, T10 (tunnel exit at 2000m) and T13-14 (2600m) show to me that he wasn't looking for the edge but looking to not crash,
* Similar levels of chill lapping can only be seen in the PER comparison.
* Also interesting to note how Ferrari cornering (early braking and early on the throttle) is similar to PER but totally different than the rest.

I would be mildly optimistic because it looks like SAI's setup was nailed perfectly, but I've learned better after last year here.

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2 tenths off with the hard tyre and everyone else on mediums is quite telling imo. Bar any driver error I think Ferrari should be firmly fighting for pole.

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… and there we have it!

Seriously as of recent times, it’s not a true race weekend unless we see a Ferrari hitting a wall. Now I’m awaiting for Charles to do it too… unfortunately I have a feeling it’ll be during qualifying. #-o

Surely all these crashes aren’t helping the budget…

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AR3-GP wrote:
26 May 2023, 18:05
It looked pretty bad there on TV but I guess it didn't cost time?

Either way, pole should be possible here IF either driver gets a clean lap

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Yeah Ferrari looked strong right from the off. If this is with some kind of issues in turn 5 - which you would presume would be something can look at overnight, with the data and in the simulator - then that's even more promising tbh.

Touch wood, as has been said, about not ending up in the wall. This seems like the best shot for a win and yet both drivers have a crash in them.

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deadhead wrote:
26 May 2023, 18:10
AR3-GP wrote:
26 May 2023, 18:05
It looked pretty bad there on TV but I guess it didn't cost time?

Either way, pole should be possible here IF either driver gets a clean lap
It is costing time in FP3, Leclerc even wants a different setup.
Certainly risky.

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The more they work on the car during the weekend, the worse it gets. The only decent weekend was Baku when they couldn't touch it after the first FP.

They can't find a sweet spot between peak performance and actual drivability. Either they get massive porpoising or just terrible performance out of the car.

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Should've brought the new suspension...

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Sevach wrote:
27 May 2023, 13:32
Should've brought the new suspension...
There is no new (real) suspension.

Leclerc was almost losing the car in the swimming pool every lap. Embarrassing after a year of development.

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Xyz22 wrote:
27 May 2023, 13:37
Sevach wrote:
27 May 2023, 13:32
Should've brought the new suspension...
There is no new (real) suspension.

Leclerc was almost losing the car in the swimming pool every lap. Embarrassing after a year of development.
They'll raise the car a bit and it'll be fine. RB had same problem in fp1 when they were trying over the top stuff.