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24s/66laps is 0.36s, and in Miami it was 52s/57laps which was 0.91s down per lap. Circumstances of course impact these times, but it is just an observation for now... I agree we need to wait till Silverstone.

At Miami Russell was 25s off the lead at the end of the race.

[djones]

Gaps aside, it was the first time in a long time the Mercedes actually looked like a reasonable race car.

As it was their first time using a totally new concept (we can't count Monaco) which they are still yet to fully understand/setup it does look quite good for them in terms of substantial progress. I would not be surprised if, at the majority of tracks, they are now comfortably the second-best car.

[dans79]

imo, the issue with Aston & Ferrari, is that their cars didn't have a wide enough set-up/performance window to deal with large climate shift over the weekend.

What Merc's upgrades did more than anything else was make the drivers (specifically Ham more confident in the car), and widened the set-up window.

[AMG.Tzan]

This looks very promising
1.16.330 Best Lap Max
1.16.676 Best Lap Lewis

No it doesn’t!

Gaining 0,4 secs through DRS but still ending up 0,3 behind looks quite the opposite of promising…

[cplchanb]

This looks very promising
1.16.330 Best Lap Max
1.16.676 Best Lap Lewis

No it doesn’t!

Gaining 0,4 secs through DRS but still ending up 0,3 behind looks quite the opposite of promising…

check the reply 4 posts above yours. 0.3 gap was pretty much average for the whole race.

[chrisc90]

Whole race a bit skewed given the harder compound.

I think comparing the last stint when they were both on the soft would be a decent shout.

Can’t really compare soft tyre to mediums and medium to hard. Bit like comparing apples to oranges.

[Just_a_fan]

Whole race a bit skewed given the harder compound.

I think comparing the last stint when they were both on the soft would be a decent shout.

Can’t really compare soft tyre to mediums and medium to hard. Bit like comparing apples to oranges.

Can't really compare Max's times to anyone - once he had a gap after the initial laps, he was just cruising. Could have been 1 second off the real pace of the car for all we know.

[chrisc90]

Lap Ver....... Ham
54 17.473 17.529
55 17.766 17.575
56 17.183 17.874
57 17.306 17.725
58 17.502 17.848
59 17.761 18.138
60 18.205 18.475
61 16.330 17.627
62 18.014 16.676
63 17.697 18.967
64 18.559 18.579
65 17.611 20.31
66 17.708 19.12


Av. 17.6247 18.187 across laps 54 to 66

If you take off the last 2 laps which seem to be outliers for lewis it is 17.617(max) 17.910 (Lewis). No idea on tyre age of them both. So safe to say Lewis was 3-4tenths off Max on average across the last stint when they both were on the same compound.

But as JAF has just said - bit hard to compare times when we dont know if either driver was just cruising. Maybe Russell and Perez, but you can go round in circles all day trying to look for tits and tats in the data/timesheet.

Top and bottom is Merc/drivers/strategy were on point this weekend in Barcelona.

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Lap Ver....... Ham
54 17.473 17.529
55 17.766 17.575
56 17.183 17.874
57 17.306 17.725
58 17.502 17.848
59 17.761 18.138
60 18.205 18.475
61 16.330 17.627
62 18.014 16.676
63 17.697 18.967
64 18.559 18.579
65 17.611 20.31
66 17.708 19.12


Av. 17.6247 18.187 across laps 54 to 66

If you take off the last 2 laps which seem to be outliers for lewis it is 17.617(max) 17.910 (Lewis). No idea on tyre age of them both. So safe to say Lewis was 3-4tenths off Max on average across the last stint when they both were on the same compound.

But as JAF has just said - bit hard to compare times when we dont know if either driver was just cruising. Maybe Russell and Perez, but you can go round in circles all day trying to look for tits and tats in the data/timesheet.

Top and bottom is Merc/drivers/strategy were on point this weekend in Barcelona.

When you compare the fast lap attempts that were a lap apart, and correct for Hamilton's DRS, it becomes more clear who had what on the day when they wanted it.

[cplchanb]

imo ham probably had a bit more average pace in hand beyond his fastest lap but he pretty much settled for P2 once he got past sainz. there was no way he couldve pushed to close the gap and keep the tyres alive to the end. had he not been hit by norris at the start and he got past sainz a lot early who knows if he wouldve pushed a bit harder or used alternative strats.

[El_KaPpa]

Mean.. it could have been game over for Hamilton right there

[Hammerfist]

24s/66laps is 0.36s, and in Miami it was 52s/57laps which was 0.91s down per lap. Circumstances of course impact these times, but it is just an observation for now... I agree we need to wait till Silverstone.

At Miami Russell was 25s off the lead at the end of the race.

But max started behind russell and had to clear traffic so it should have been more in Miami.

[djones]

Mean.. it could have been game over for Hamilton right there

https://i.ibb.co/HVSwqCZ/20230605-223230.gif

He actually had damage the entire race after that. A missing wheel cover at minimum (that I saw).

EDIT it may have been replaced at the pit stop. Not sure.

[Mattchu]

Mean.. it could have been game over for Hamilton right there
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Looks like they actually made contact twice, first just a tyre tap (you see a little puff of smoke) then after Hamilton corrected it the left rear hit Lando`s front wing. Unlucky for Lando, it`s just one of them first lap, first few corner incidents...

[dans79]

Unlucky for Lando, it`s just one of them first lap, first few corner incidents...

Unlucky for Lewis as well. If Lando wasn't there, or was just a few meters further back, Lewis would have just driven around the outside of Carlos and had a good chance of being P2 by the entry to turn 5.