2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Yuki? I'm thinking Hulkenberg.
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Hulkenberg is way too large. He would never fit into a Newey car.
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Amazing achievement.

Re the James Allen tweet - a LOT less races back in the day so not really fair to compare ages.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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True. But Max also raced like 6 years against a totally dominant Mercedes and oftentimes also a better Ferrari. Comparing wins is just very hard and also not chique. I think Max asked Jenson not to ask that question today. Jenson is a true gentleman imho.

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organic wrote:
18 Jun 2023, 23:46
comments are gold :lol:

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Juzh wrote:
19 Jun 2023, 00:32
organic wrote:
18 Jun 2023, 23:46
comments are gold :lol:
Especially the Checo race engineer comment =D>

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organic wrote:
18 Jun 2023, 23:46
that's ominous...
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chrisc90 wrote:
18 Jun 2023, 22:31
Amazing achievement.

Re the James Allen tweet - a LOT less races back in the day so not really fair to compare ages.
The difference in race amount works both ways. Rake up a lot more wins in seasons you have a dominant car, stay winless for a long time when you dont have one.

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Red Bull Gives You Wings!
AR3-GP wrote:
19 Jun 2023, 01:04
organic wrote:
18 Jun 2023, 23:46
that's ominous...

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I won't be surprised if it appears that competition has caught up with Red Bull, only to be surprised again next year.


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mendis wrote:
19 Jun 2023, 08:34
I won't be surprised if it appears that competition has caught up with Red Bull, only to be surprised again next year.
https://twitter.com/RBR_Daily/status/1 ... 3882430464
It was the same for Mercedes and Ferrari more than a decade before. And also RB in their first dominant era.

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gcdugas wrote:
18 Jun 2023, 22:30
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Yuki? I'm thinking Hulkenberg.
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Hulkenberg is way too large. He would never fit into a Newey car.
Nonsense. Webber was the same height. And Verstappen is very nearly as tall. This is not the early nineties.
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18 Jun 2023, 21:52
But then this is happening race after race. It happened in Australia then Spain and now in Canada. He doesn't know how to do a recovery drive. He is like the way Bottas was at Mercedes. Looked decent starting on pole, but then total crap when out of front row.
Yeah. He is the Felipe Bottichellvine sort of driver.

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Max has just reached 80% pole to win conversion. Highest ever by a significant margin now

Certainly helped by Ferrari's one lap pace antics of the last 2 seasons and higher reliability compared to past eras. Still interesting though

On the topic of the rb19's upgrade schedule:

The biggest upgrade this season came at Baku where they changed the sidepods. However this was clearly a specification run at the Silverstone shakedown. Until Baku they were just running the rb18 sidepods until the parts were worn out. So really the sidepod "upgrade" was simply their launch spec that they delayed as the pace advantage overall was large enough to not rush it in.

There was a minor change to the floor edge wing in Barcelona, some diffuser geometry modifications and a front wing tweak at Canada. That's a sum total of very few updates compared to other teams. Ferrari have brought a new floor, sidepods, engine cover etc. as have AMR. Mercedes brought a large upgrade package already.

It's not a bold claim but I reckon RB will bring a substantial package (engine cover, floor) to Silverstone and that will be all for the RB19 apart from very minor tweaks such as to the floor edge wing.

If we consider the RB18: pre-season testing they used the shakedown spec rb18. Then they brought bahrain-spec package . Imola (floor), then Baku (new floor), Silverstone (modified floor, engine cover), France (new floor), Spa (engine cover) along with tons of weight drops. So the update frequency in 2023 and scope has been significantly lower than in 2022. This makes sense, considering the delta to other cars, but I wonder where this budget must be going. Either a very substantial package or the team is focusing a lot on next season from the beginning.
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Perez is perez. The qualy here was very difficult, easy to not be able to get the time in. It happened to Perez, Leclerc and Russell. Hamilton made it out of q2 by a few hundredths too. Can't be too hard on that. Then Perez started on the whites and had to do a long stint. High fuel on tires that didn't get up to temp (as Max also found) and then also the 2 Ferrari's way down the grid right in front of you that you cannot really overtake as they are top cars too (on yellows). It just all added up. Cant really say this was so super bad and they will know this at RBR too. Expect him up higher next race.