2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Sevach]

I'm sceptical, when was the last time Ferrari actually significantly developed and improved a car throughout a season? 2012?

2019 was good even if the fact Mercedes stopped developing made it look ɓetter than it really was.
And as said in 2022 Ferrari was keeping up until TD39 cut their legs off.

[SoulPancake13]

Duchessa says in a new article today that the first floor with real RB19 characteristics will come around Japan(not necessarily from Ferrari but in general). I wonder what Ferrari's next floor will look like(although tbh maybe I hope not to see the car raised anytime soon!)

[Xyz22]

[aleks_ader]

I'm sceptical, when was the last time Ferrari actually significantly developed and improved a car throughout a season? 2012?

2009, 2012, 2015, 2019 STONKS

2010, 2017, 2021 pretty neutral

2011, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2018 train wrecks into mount doom

2020, 2022 down spiral straight into HELL

[aleks_ader]

2019 was good even if the fact Mercedes stopped developing made it look ɓetter than it really was.
And as said in 2022 Ferrari was keeping up until TD39 cut their legs off.

*khmm* one correction this was straight decapitation

[Wouter]

[vorticism]

Stumbled upon this one:


motorsport.com

[wowgr8]

In the meantime, Vasseur finally admitted it: the SF-23 was born on the wrong basis and the simulator 'deceived' the technicians of the Maranello team.

It's always one step forward and two steps back with this team unfortunately. How is the brand new cutting edge sim already causing such massive issues?

[Vanja #66]

It's always one step forward and two steps back with this team unfortunately. How is the brand new cutting edge sim already causing such massive issues?

The "simulator data" mentioned are the results of driver input and simulation inputs. Those simulation inputs include many things, including e.g. tyre information through a substantial number of parameters. With incorrect parameters, you get incorrect results, especially with tyre parameters.

[AR3-GP]

It's always one step forward and two steps back with this team unfortunately. How is the brand new cutting edge sim already causing such massive issues?

The "simulator data" mentioned are the results of driver input and simulation inputs. Those simulation inputs include many things, including e.g. tyre information through a substantial number of parameters. With incorrect parameters, you get incorrect results, especially with tyre parameters.

In other words, put crap in, get crap out

[gordonthegun]

This is a very different car from start of season, I'm very surprised as Ferrari hasn't brought big updates like this in such a long time. At least this big aero change signals a different development philosophy.

True. I don't remember a "B" car by Ferrari in the last 25 years or more.

[Sevach]

This is more of a naming convention than anything, updates that in the 80/90s would be called B spec nowadays are not.
Anything that was more than a wing or a barge board was called B spec, upgrades were a lot less frequent, often once during the season, and they had to be big.
A bunch of teams coming with entirely different mid chassis area(Red Bull copies) last year would surely be called "B spec" in the 90s.

For i think Ferrari 2012 was a year where they extensively modified a lot of things to get their coanda exhaust working, those mods would also be called B spec in the 90s i'm sure.

Officially, the last time Ferrari called their car by a different name was the F2004M, when they used it for a couple of races in 2005.

With all that said, Binotto was a conservative leader, of that there can be no doubt.

[CLKGTR]

Just to recall some B-spec cars from my living memory Benetton had heavily revised their B201 at the 2001 Belgian GP if I remember corectly, Fisichella finished third in that race, car was much more competitive before Renault took over in 2002.

Renault brought R23B at Silverstone 2003., won at Hungary with Alonso, McLaren did the same with MP4-19B which appeared at Magny Cours, Raikkonen took pole at Silverstone and won at Spa.

[Cassius]

This is more of a naming convention than anything, updates that in the 80/90s would be called B spec nowadays are not.
Anything that was more than a wing or a barge board was called B spec, upgrades were a lot less frequent, often once during the season, and they had to be big.
A bunch of teams coming with entirely different mid chassis area(Red Bull copies) last year would surely be called "B spec" in the 90s.

For i think Ferrari 2012 was a year where they extensively modified a lot of things to get their coanda exhaust working, those mods would also be called B spec in the 90s i'm sure.

Officially, the last time Ferrari called their car by a different name was the F2004M, when they used it for a couple of races in 2005.

With all that said, Binotto was a conservative leader, of that there can be no doubt.

This has nothing to do with Binotto. Every TP or TD would have made the decision to investigate and then change what was discovered in the preseason to be not working as expected.

[Andi76]

This is more of a naming convention than anything, updates that in the 80/90s would be called B spec nowadays are not.
Anything that was more than a wing or a barge board was called B spec, upgrades were a lot less frequent, often once during the season, and they had to be big.
A bunch of teams coming with entirely different mid chassis area(Red Bull copies) last year would surely be called "B spec" in the 90s.

For i think Ferrari 2012 was a year where they extensively modified a lot of things to get their coanda exhaust working, those mods would also be called B spec in the 90s i'm sure.

Officially, the last time Ferrari called their car by a different name was the F2004M, when they used it for a couple of races in 2005.

With all that said, Binotto was a conservative leader, of that there can be no doubt.

Referring to the 90's this is not quite true, because there actually many teams started to bring B-versions. Benetton in 1993 with the completely new suspension and 4-wheel steering, the 1994 Williams with shorter sidepods, Ferrari also radically changed their cars during the season in 1992 and 1993. The 1997 Ferrari changed extremely on the sidepods and engine cover, and got a completely new fuel tank, and a lighter monocoque which would pass for a B version even today. Ferrari lengthened the wheelbase of the 1998 F300 by 8cm. In general, 1998 was the beginning of a new era, ushered in by Ferrari (partly already in 1997), where they brought 7 new front wings, 4 or 5 new rear wings, longer wheelbase, several bargeboards, three underbodies and diffusers and some more. Other teams like Jordan brought almost completely new cars with new sidepods, wheelbase, weight distribution, etc. So you can't really include the 90's anymore, because in fact that's when the teams started to change a lot of the cars and develop a lot during the season.