2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[ispano6]

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433 ... mula-1-car

"We have set up a huge organisation in our financial department of 46 people, that monitors the cost cap down to the last screw,"

"We look at that trend of our spend during all of the year and what we've done is basically allocate resource to various projects.

"We've stayed below that line all year last year, and we're still below that line this year and that is considering a normal development switch for next year. This is still pretty much on track.

"The good thing is that we are constantly learning about what the car is doing. There are going to be some fundamental design changes for next year, but it's not that we're building stuff. It's more like what are we simulating? That is not measured in money, or teraflops or wind tunnel hours."

Unlimited cfd simulations or Mick burning the 2am oil? Surely those huge 46 ppl keeping track are included in the cost cap. Surely they need to be fed? Seems news of FIA clampdown comes after Toto's comments.

[ValeVida46]

Surely those huge 46 ppl keeping track are included in the cost cap. Surely they need to be fed? Seems news of FIA clampdown comes after Toto's comments.

Maybe familiarise yourself with the rules first eh?

Section 3.1(i) All costs Directly Attributable to Human Resources Activities, Finance Activities or
Legal Activities are under special exemption.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... -02-18.pdf

[dans79]

Surely those huge 46 ppl keeping track are included in the cost cap. Surely they need to be fed? Seems news of FIA clampdown comes after Toto's comments.

Maybe familiarise yourself with the rules first eh?

Section 3.1(i) All costs Directly Attributable to Human Resources Activities, Finance Activities or
Legal Activities are under special exemption.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... -02-18.pdf

Yes, and simulations don't always mean CFD.

[ValeVida46]

Yes, and simulations don't always mean CFD.

Precisely.

Every team has their reserves pounding around doing sim work. When some teams invest 2 million a year in reserve drivers like Ricciardo, I wonder what was expected, just turn up for GP weekends and smile at the cameras?

[Just_a_fan]

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433 ... mula-1-car

"We have set up a huge organisation in our financial department of 46 people, that monitors the cost cap down to the last screw,"

"We look at that trend of our spend during all of the year and what we've done is basically allocate resource to various projects.

"We've stayed below that line all year last year, and we're still below that line this year and that is considering a normal development switch for next year. This is still pretty much on track.

"The good thing is that we are constantly learning about what the car is doing. There are going to be some fundamental design changes for next year, but it's not that we're building stuff. It's more like what are we simulating? That is not measured in money, or teraflops or wind tunnel hours."

Unlimited cfd simulations or Mick burning the 2am oil? Surely those huge 46 ppl keeping track are included in the cost cap. Surely they need to be fed? Seems news of FIA clampdown comes after Toto's comments.

The "clampdown" is on the use of people that are pretending to be working on non-F1 projects but then remember stuff for the F1 car. Projects like Valkyrie, for example, or the RB17.

Merc don't have a project like that, nor have they breached the cost cap. Only one team has done that. Can you guess who?

[Joel709]

You do understand that many things within F1 can be tested on Boats & Bikes right? They provide an aerodynamic test bed for information that can be passed on. This is why they’re looking at Merc aswell due to their boat project with James Allison. Leave the toxic RB comments for Twitter.

[lio007]

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433 ... mula-1-car

"We have set up a huge organisation in our financial department of 46 people, that monitors the cost cap down to the last screw,"

"We look at that trend of our spend during all of the year and what we've done is basically allocate resource to various projects.

"We've stayed below that line all year last year, and we're still below that line this year and that is considering a normal development switch for next year. This is still pretty much on track.

"The good thing is that we are constantly learning about what the car is doing. There are going to be some fundamental design changes for next year, but it's not that we're building stuff. It's more like what are we simulating? That is not measured in money, or teraflops or wind tunnel hours."

Unlimited cfd simulations or Mick burning the 2am oil? Surely those huge 46 ppl keeping track are included in the cost cap. Surely they need to be fed? Seems news of FIA clampdown comes after Toto's comments.

The "clampdown" is on the use of people that are pretending to be working on non-F1 projects but then remember stuff for the F1 car. Projects like Valkyrie, for example, or the RB17.

Merc don't have a project like that, nor have they breached the cost cap. Only one team has done that. Can you guess who?

What about Mercedes' Project ONE? I guess Brackley has been involved in some way.

[Big Tea]

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433 ... mula-1-car

"We have set up a huge organisation in our financial department of 46 people, that monitors the cost cap down to the last screw,"

"We look at that trend of our spend during all of the year and what we've done is basically allocate resource to various projects.

"We've stayed below that line all year last year, and we're still below that line this year and that is considering a normal development switch for next year. This is still pretty much on track.

"The good thing is that we are constantly learning about what the car is doing. There are going to be some fundamental design changes for next year, but it's not that we're building stuff. It's more like what are we simulating? That is not measured in money, or teraflops or wind tunnel hours."

Unlimited cfd simulations or Mick burning the 2am oil? Surely those huge 46 ppl keeping track are included in the cost cap. Surely they need to be fed? Seems news of FIA clampdown comes after Toto's comments.

The "clampdown" is on the use of people that are pretending to be working on non-F1 projects but then remember stuff for the F1 car. Projects like Valkyrie, for example, or the RB17.

Merc don't have a project like that, nor have they breached the cost cap. Only one team has done that. Can you guess who?

What about Mercedes' Project ONE? I guess Brackley has been involved in some way.

Hold your fire for a while guys, no one has been implicated yet, there will be plenty of time later if there is even a sniff of it.

[kptaylor]

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433 ... mula-1-car

"We have set up a huge organisation in our financial department of 46 people, that monitors the cost cap down to the last screw,"

"We look at that trend of our spend during all of the year and what we've done is basically allocate resource to various projects.

"We've stayed below that line all year last year, and we're still below that line this year and that is considering a normal development switch for next year. This is still pretty much on track.

"The good thing is that we are constantly learning about what the car is doing. There are going to be some fundamental design changes for next year, but it's not that we're building stuff. It's more like what are we simulating? That is not measured in money, or teraflops or wind tunnel hours."

Unlimited cfd simulations or Mick burning the 2am oil? Surely those huge 46 ppl keeping track are included in the cost cap. Surely they need to be fed? Seems news of FIA clampdown comes after Toto's comments.

The "clampdown" is on the use of people that are pretending to be working on non-F1 projects but then remember stuff for the F1 car. Projects like Valkyrie, for example, or the RB17.

Merc don't have a project like that, nor have they breached the cost cap. Only one team has done that. Can you guess who?

What about Mercedes' Project ONE? I guess Brackley has been involved in some way.

https://www.mercedes-amg.com/en/vehicle ... ercar.html

Exactly! Count the number of times F1 is mentioned...

[Just_a_fan]

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433 ... mula-1-car

"We have set up a huge organisation in our financial department of 46 people, that monitors the cost cap down to the last screw,"

"We look at that trend of our spend during all of the year and what we've done is basically allocate resource to various projects.

"We've stayed below that line all year last year, and we're still below that line this year and that is considering a normal development switch for next year. This is still pretty much on track.

"The good thing is that we are constantly learning about what the car is doing. There are going to be some fundamental design changes for next year, but it's not that we're building stuff. It's more like what are we simulating? That is not measured in money, or teraflops or wind tunnel hours."

Unlimited cfd simulations or Mick burning the 2am oil? Surely those huge 46 ppl keeping track are included in the cost cap. Surely they need to be fed? Seems news of FIA clampdown comes after Toto's comments.

The "clampdown" is on the use of people that are pretending to be working on non-F1 projects but then remember stuff for the F1 car. Projects like Valkyrie, for example, or the RB17.

Merc don't have a project like that, nor have they breached the cost cap. Only one team has done that. Can you guess who?

What about Mercedes' Project ONE? I guess Brackley has been involved in some way.

Yes, the Project ONE - does it use tunnels like a current F1 car? It looks like it closer to an LMP type project. But, yes, that project would fall under the control of the new TD if the car was still being developed. Good job the Project ONE has been completed and is now being delivered to customers. Unlike the RB17 - a project that is very much in development and would fall foul of the new TD if RBR are cross-pollinating the F1 car with IP learned from that project.

And there is still only one team that has breached the cost cap and who might be shackled further by the new TD if they are using their off-book projects to seed the F1 team with IP.

[Just_a_fan]

The "clampdown" is on the use of people that are pretending to be working on non-F1 projects but then remember stuff for the F1 car. Projects like Valkyrie, for example, or the RB17.

Merc don't have a project like that, nor have they breached the cost cap. Only one team has done that. Can you guess who?

What about Mercedes' Project ONE? I guess Brackley has been involved in some way.

https://www.mercedes-amg.com/en/vehicle ... ercar.html

Exactly! Count the number of times F1 is mentioned...

The RB17 website has a video that is basically F1 clips with a bit of Newey at his drawing board. Does that implicate them?

[Skippon]

Th flow of IP and resource on Project One is (or rather was) F1 to HPPs Advanced Technology Group which is independent of the F1 programme andis nothing to do with Brackley. In any case this Power unit is a detuned 2016 one - so completely irrelevant to the 2025/6 programme never mind usage strategies NVH etc which are completely different in a series road car world

[chrisc90]

Bit unfair to say there has been only 1 team break the cap…. Considering that there has only been 1 year of reporting.

All these teams have projects that are related to F1. Pointless saying the RB17/Valkyrie is the only car when there’s likes of the Merc AMG one and the McLaren variants. Who’s to say they aren’t working on other projects that aren’t public knowledge, yet feeding data etc back to the F1 teams.

Just about every team has changed structures to try and get round the cost cap - pointless even trying to argue otherwise

[denyall]

For the single year we have public data, three teams violated the cost cap is some way, either materially or procedurally. Hard for fans of the other nine teams to not to single out the one team that was given sporting penalties on top of fines for violating the cost cap, especially when that team is currently leading both championships.

All teams were required to restructure under the cost cap. Ferrari for example couldn't just layoff their people due to Italian labor law and needed to move people to non-f1 programs like WEC hypercar. The Mercedes One, Valkyrie, RB17 are similar side projects in my eyes, ways to keep staff, either from layoffs or more importantly from other teams. Sure some tech/data is transferable, you can't turn off the mind and you can't forget what you've discovered, but I think the true value in these projects it to keep technical staff with the teams that start them.

[Just_a_fan]

Bit unfair to say there has been only 1 team break the cap…. Considering that there has only been 1 year of reporting.

All these teams have projects that are related to F1. Pointless saying the RB17/Valkyrie is the only car when there’s likes of the Merc AMG one and the McLaren variants. Who’s to say they aren’t working on other projects that aren’t public knowledge, yet feeding data etc back to the F1 teams.

Just about every team has changed structures to try and get round the cost cap - pointless even trying to argue otherwise

There is one team that spent more than allowed by the cost cap. That's a simple fact. Unpalatable to some, perhaps, but a fact nonetheless.

Project ONE is in customer delivery meaning the work done on its design was pre-cost cap.

Ferrari and McLaren have race car divisions outside of F1 so there is a risk to the cap there.

RB17 is in design/development now and so is a real possibility for cap circumvention. That's not to say they are doing it, but it is possible.

It's the possibility of this route being used to circumvent the cost cap that the FIA are trying to kill. And rightly so.