Red Bull RB19

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Inspection jig with optical inspection targets used for setting the car up.
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... and part 2:

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atanatizante wrote: ↑
23 Jun 2023, 20:27
So he thinks it is mostly be about aero. Maybe I'm in good company.

vorticism wrote: ↑
08 Apr 2023, 23:38
I agree. Anti-dive can only be a partial solution. The suspension still deflects vertically upon load transfer regardless of the arm inclination (within reason). It makes me think it's more about aero. The RB16 had a flat top arm, and a slightly inclined lower arm (the arms diverged rearward instead of converge as on the RB18/19), which provides the opposite sort of caster change that the RB18/19 would provide. This might be a change in chassis/suspension philosophy, or simply an indication that suspension design plays second fiddle to aero.
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Is it true when he says that excess anti dive can provide ride height increase?
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β€œ The Red Bull RB18 & RB19 has a diffuser that keeps the rising airflow low.

The wake, which has less interaction with the rear wing, reduces drag.

If the air velocity at the kick point does not decrease, the floor downforce will not decrease.”


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Not making sense.

Linking the diffuser and the rear wing has proven beneifits. Old tried and trusted solution.

The steps in the floor are not new either. Teams ran similar steps, in the form of concave diffuser decades ago. Does the same thing.
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deadhead wrote: ↑
28 Jun 2023, 14:32
β€œ The Red Bull RB18 & RB19 has a diffuser that keeps the rising airflow low.

The wake, which has less interaction with the rear wing, reduces drag.

If the air velocity at the kick point does not decrease, the floor downforce will not decrease.”

That explanation is completely wrong. :)

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/uncovere ... novi%C4%87

The diffuser has a complex curvature, after the kick there is a concave surface where there is some pressure recovery due to a drop in expansion. At the edge and under the beam wing, there is a specific flick on the floor, introducing another area of low pressure, which especially works together with beam wing to further drive the whole floor by generating big suction zone. When you have a big suction zone here, the whole mass of air under the floor also speeds up to reach this low pressure zone. However, these two points (underfloor kicks and diffuser design) are not the only secret.
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Vanja #66 wrote: ↑
28 Jun 2023, 14:46

That explanation is completely wrong. :)
Disinformation campaign by our RB friends :wink:
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Looking at that picture upside down absolutely scrambled by brain.
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That user has blocked me on Twitter in the past for pointing out some errors in what they were posting (kindly and with good evidence). I don't think they warrant being posted further

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organic wrote: ↑
28 Jun 2023, 16:46
That user has blocked me on Twitter in the past for pointing out some errors in what they were posting (kindly and with good evidence). I don't think they warrant being posted further
Noted.

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Nothing jumping out at me

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organic wrote: ↑
30 Jun 2023, 13:00


Nothing jumping out at me
They used the word "subtle" with regards to a change in suspension wishbone shroud (presumably the one with the driveshaft in it), so probably not going to be caught by a relatively long range shot from that angle.
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