2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Albon about himself. How objecive would that be.. Ricciardo did a 100% better job with an oversteering RB than Albon.

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Alexf1 wrote:
24 Jun 2023, 22:26
Albon about himself. How objecive would that be.. Ricciardo did a 100% better job with an oversteering RB than Albon.
Albon drove as teammate of leclerc in junior formula and Alex said he was always going for more oversteer than Charles, who himself you would say errs on the side of oversteer when he can

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organic wrote:
25 Jun 2023, 02:26
Alexf1 wrote:
24 Jun 2023, 22:26
Albon about himself. How objecive would that be.. Ricciardo did a 100% better job with an oversteering RB than Albon.
Albon drove as teammate of leclerc in junior formula and Alex said he was always going for more oversteer than Charles, who himself you would say errs on the side of oversteer when he can
Then he has not been able to take that trade with him into F1 cause his stint at RB showed nothing of that

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Alexf1 wrote:
25 Jun 2023, 10:05
organic wrote:
25 Jun 2023, 02:26
Alexf1 wrote:
24 Jun 2023, 22:26
Albon about himself. How objecive would that be.. Ricciardo did a 100% better job with an oversteering RB than Albon.
Albon drove as teammate of leclerc in junior formula and Alex said he was always going for more oversteer than Charles, who himself you would say errs on the side of oversteer when he can
Then he has not been able to take that trade with him into F1 cause his stint at RB showed nothing of that
Max is the extremest of extreme in terms of being able to cope with a loose rear or other similar limitation. All his teammates have said so, those who work with him in sim racing, and staff members like Waché have echoed this too.

Evaluating Albon's ability to feel comfortable with a "loose rear" is difficult when the only real reference is the rb16 which took that to such an extent that it kneecapped their car development for an entire season..

Losing confidence in a car is often a very dichotomous thing. Once the driver cannot be sure of what the car will do and whether they will be able to live with it.. they can't find the limit and hemorrhage laptime, tenths at a time. Even if you're close to being able to cope, that loss of confidence will hit almost as hard. So I don't think Perez and Albon's gap being similar is representative of albon being similarly preferential towards understeer as Perez (someone who's somewhat an extreme case on the grid)

I think more representative would be his experience compared to other teammates outside of such an extreme car and driver combination of the rb16 and max. It would likely be far more useful data

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ERZBERG MINE
Formula 1 champion Max Verstappen races Yuki Tsunoda in MASSIVE Mega Trucks! On a custom built rowdy off-road obstacle course for the two F1 drivers to race around at the bottom of the imposing Erzberg Mine in Austria.
The huge trucks each have roaring 500 horsepower engines and wheels that weigh over 700 kilograms!
Recorded two weeks ago in Austria:

The Power of Dreams!

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Wouter wrote:
27 Jun 2023, 14:53
ERZBERG MINE
Formula 1 champion Max Verstappen races Yuki Tsunoda in MASSIVE Mega Trucks! On a custom built rowdy off-road obstacle course for the two F1 drivers to race around at the bottom of the imposing Erzberg Mine in Austria.
The huge trucks each have roaring 500 horsepower engines and wheels that weigh over 700 kilograms!
Recorded two weeks ago in Austria:

500 hp?

I'd feel insulted if I was Max and Yuki. Monster trucks usually make between 1500 & 2000hp.
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dans79 wrote:
27 Jun 2023, 17:06
Wouter wrote:
27 Jun 2023, 14:53
ERZBERG MINE
Formula 1 champion Max Verstappen races Yuki Tsunoda in MASSIVE Mega Trucks! On a custom built rowdy off-road obstacle course for the two F1 drivers to race around at the bottom of the imposing Erzberg Mine in Austria.
The huge trucks each have roaring 500 horsepower engines and wheels that weigh over 700 kilograms!
Recorded two weeks ago in Austria:

500 hp?

I'd feel insulted if I was Max and Yuki. Monster trucks usually make between 1500 & 2000hp.
Do you think RB management would allow them to drive a 2000hp monster truck?
A lion must kill its prey.

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AR3-GP wrote:
27 Jun 2023, 19:08
Do you think RB management would allow them to drive a 2000hp monster truck?
If you've ever seen some of the guys who actually drive them, you would know they don't have much to worry about.
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dans79 wrote:
27 Jun 2023, 19:23
AR3-GP wrote:
27 Jun 2023, 19:08
Do you think RB management would allow them to drive a 2000hp monster truck?
If you've ever seen some of the guys who actually drive them, you would know they don't have much to worry about.
Verstappen is a trained F1 driver and he's not even permitted to lap the Nordschleife:
https://the-race.com/formula-1/youre-no ... fe-f1-run/
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27 Jun 2023, 19:46
Verstappen is a trained F1 driver and he's not even permitted to lap the Nordschleife:
https://the-race.com/formula-1/youre-no ... fe-f1-run/

he isn't being blocked because it's dangerous, marko is blocking him because he doesn't feel he can trust max to not make it dangerous.


https://www.racefans.net/2023/06/27/mar ... rschleife/
“And I know Max. He says he doesn’t care about records [but] he knows the record by the second and if he is driving there he is not going only to beat it, he wants to beat it in a big way.”

“It’s a high risk and that is really not necessary to take. And you can agree and he would say, ‘no, I won’t’ [but] as soon as he is in the car he would go for it.”
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Absolute all-conquering badass, making that kids playground called the Nordschleife dangerous through sheer force of his will.

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The Power of Dreams!

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Seems the change in ownership has been smooth for RBr after all, despite Marko's initial concerns.



Of course everything will be rosy whilst RB have an established lead driver and crushing dominance. So I will take it with a pinch of salt.

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I think the discussions were probably not about RBR given it is profitable, especially when you take the brand exposure value into account. It was more about the role of AlphaTauri. This positivity from Marko is probably the result of a for Marko satisfying solution involving closer cooperation with RBR, new management and a rebranding with outside sponsors

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organic wrote:
28 Jun 2023, 16:54
Seems the change in ownership has been smooth for RBr after all, despite Marko's initial concerns.

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Of course everything will be rosy whilst RB have an established lead driver and crushing dominance. So I will take it with a pinch of salt.
I wouldn't assume everything to be rosy just because it is going well this year. Surely they have a much more long-term perspective than that. Especially with RBPT having to deliver in 2026. Ford coming onboard. New wind tunnel, the aftermath of the budget cap penalty etc.

They were clever in signing Verstappen long-term so he'll be there when they put the RBPT PU in. Basically they bought themselves stability.

Also they'll have to think and plan for succession of Marko himself. Will he even be at the team in 2026 when the RBPT PU gets introduced. Same goes for Newey when his contract eventually expires and he decides to retire or do something else. Also there is the hunt from rivals for Red Bull talent.

Again I doubt its so rosy that they'll be sitting there at their meetings laughing and drinking Red Bull :lol: