2023 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, June 30 - July 02

[fourmula1]

If they were explicit about track limits and locations and the drivers knew, I have zero sympathy for the drivers.

[AR3-GP]

If they were explicit about track limits and locations and the drivers knew, I have zero sympathy for the drivers.

It's not the drivers that one should sympathize with. It's the fans. When you create the conditions for a mess like today, then the fans are the only losers. Gasly had a laptime deleted, and then it was reinstated! Track limit enforcement should go by natural terrain deterrents so that they are instantly punished and it doesn't rely on the whims and fancies of race control. It's the second year running that we've had something farcical (last year Perez's lap was deleted after the session). This year Gasly's lap was erroneously deleted and had to be reinstated.

[AR3-GP]

[fourmula1]

If they were explicit about track limits and locations and the drivers knew, I have zero sympathy for the drivers.

It's not the drivers that one should sympathize with. It's the fans. When you create the conditions for a mess like today, then the fans are the only losers. Gasly had a laptime deleted, and then it was reinstated! Track limit enforcement should go by natural terrain deterrents so that they are instantly punished and it doesn't rely on the whims and fancies of race control. It's the second year running that we've had something farcical (last year Perez's lap was deleted after the session). This year Gasly's lap was erroneously deleted and had to be reinstated.

Why do you say whims and fancies? I may just not know what they are using to determine if a car has all four off. I thought they do use some sort of sensor/vision system? Technology isn't 100% and if they are reviewing and reinstating laps based of tech errors that isn't that a good thing? To me it is.

I'm also ok with letting them use the terrain but then the tracks become very wide. You can't always have walls and massive curbs and gravel.

I think there is room for improvement in the system and procedures but other wise I advocate for strict track boundaries in quali and W2W.

[dialtone]

If they were explicit about track limits and locations and the drivers knew, I have zero sympathy for the drivers.

It's not the drivers that one should sympathize with. It's the fans. When you create the conditions for a mess like today, then the fans are the only losers. Gasly had a laptime deleted, and then it was reinstated! Track limit enforcement should go by natural terrain deterrents so that they are instantly punished and it doesn't rely on the whims and fancies of race control. It's the second year running that we've had something farcical (last year Perez's lap was deleted after the session). This year Gasly's lap was erroneously deleted and had to be reinstated.

Or, and I might be out on a limb here, drivers paid millions per year can learn to not go out of the track limits? The track is the same for everyone yet a particular team had both drivers with multiple laps deleted.

Somehow we need to think about the fans about a quali in which some drivers are unable to keep the car on track, but not when a team is driving 1s/lap ahead of the rest of the pack driving everyone to sleep...

The wise once said: git gud. (or is this only applicable when your team wins?)

[avantman]

The track limit fiasco puts a damper on the whole qualifying session. We shouldn't have to see laptimes get posted, applaud a driver, and then see his time revoked 5 minutes later.

More usage of natural terrain track limits which are self policing and apply their punishment immediately are needed.

As if it was not farcical enough, race control reinstated laps during the session

Completely agree! Austria becomes a ruined weekend for me third year in a row. Quali was a disaster again, but races will be likely as well. Can't wait for this weekend to end already, though before Austria was always one of my favorite weekends every year. Now it's all just very irritating and disappointing experience following a session.

[AR3-GP]

If they were explicit about track limits and locations and the drivers knew, I have zero sympathy for the drivers.

It's not the drivers that one should sympathize with. It's the fans. When you create the conditions for a mess like today, then the fans are the only losers. Gasly had a laptime deleted, and then it was reinstated! Track limit enforcement should go by natural terrain deterrents so that they are instantly punished and it doesn't rely on the whims and fancies of race control. It's the second year running that we've had something farcical (last year Perez's lap was deleted after the session). This year Gasly's lap was erroneously deleted and had to be reinstated.

Or, and I might be out on a limb here, drivers paid millions per year can learn to not go out of the track limits? The track is the same for everyone yet a particular team had both drivers with multiple laps deleted.

Somehow we need to think about the fans about a quali in which some drivers are unable to keep the car on track, but not when a team is driving 1s/lap ahead of the rest of the pack driving everyone to sleep...

The wise once said: git gud. (or is this only applicable when your team wins?)

Do you have an opinion on race control erroneously deleting Gasly's lap? Would you have been happy if Leclerc's lap had been deleted erroneously and then he crashed the car trying to reset it? Do you have no problem with this?

That is exactly why the track should be configured to punish the driver as opposed to relying on error prone humans to watch video cameras and delete laps 5 minutes after they were set, potentially denying drivers the opportunity to set another lap or making them waste tires setting laps they don't need to set!

How is it not obvious that having humans involved in the policing process is an inferior system to natural track limit deterrents? Most of the circuit has been designed properly. T7 and T10 are all wrong.

[dialtone]

It's not the drivers that one should sympathize with. It's the fans. When you create the conditions for a mess like today, then the fans are the only losers. Gasly had a laptime deleted, and then it was reinstated! Track limit enforcement should go by natural terrain deterrents so that they are instantly punished and it doesn't rely on the whims and fancies of race control. It's the second year running that we've had something farcical (last year Perez's lap was deleted after the session). This year Gasly's lap was erroneously deleted and had to be reinstated.

Or, and I might be out on a limb here, drivers paid millions per year can learn to not go out of the track limits? The track is the same for everyone yet a particular team had both drivers with multiple laps deleted.

Somehow we need to think about the fans about a quali in which some drivers are unable to keep the car on track, but not when a team is driving 1s/lap ahead of the rest of the pack driving everyone to sleep...

The wise once said: git gud. (or is this only applicable when your team wins?)

Do you have an opinion on race control erroneously deleting Gasly's lap?

That is exactly why the track should be configured to punish the driver as opposed to relying on error prone humans to watch video cameras and delete laps 5 minutes after they were set, potentially denying drivers the opportunity to set another lap or making them waste tires setting laps they don't need to set!

How is it not obvious that having humans involved in the policing process is an inferior system to natural track limit deterrents? Most of the circuit has been designed properly. T7 and T10 are all wrong.

Drivers don't want natural limits in those fast corners because it's dangerous, like they don't want sausage kerbs. Just stay on track, they make mm perfect corners in monaco but can't keep it on track in an oval-like corner.

The Gasly stuff is a nothingburger, they review their own decisions quite quickly as it took them a couple minutes.

[AR3-GP]

Or, and I might be out on a limb here, drivers paid millions per year can learn to not go out of the track limits? The track is the same for everyone yet a particular team had both drivers with multiple laps deleted.

Somehow we need to think about the fans about a quali in which some drivers are unable to keep the car on track, but not when a team is driving 1s/lap ahead of the rest of the pack driving everyone to sleep...

The wise once said: git gud. (or is this only applicable when your team wins?)

Do you have an opinion on race control erroneously deleting Gasly's lap?

That is exactly why the track should be configured to punish the driver as opposed to relying on error prone humans to watch video cameras and delete laps 5 minutes after they were set, potentially denying drivers the opportunity to set another lap or making them waste tires setting laps they don't need to set!

How is it not obvious that having humans involved in the policing process is an inferior system to natural track limit deterrents? Most of the circuit has been designed properly. T7 and T10 are all wrong.

Drivers don't want natural limits in those fast corners because it's dangerous, like they don't want sausage kerbs. Just stay on track, they make mm perfect corners in monaco but can't keep it on track in an oval-like corner.

The Gasly stuff is a nothingburger, they review their own decisions quite quickly as it took them a couple minutes.

"A couple minutes". Did you know that Q3 for the sprint shootout is 8 minutes long? Do you think the drivers have "a couple minutes" to wait for race control?

[dialtone]

Do you have an opinion on race control erroneously deleting Gasly's lap?

That is exactly why the track should be configured to punish the driver as opposed to relying on error prone humans to watch video cameras and delete laps 5 minutes after they were set, potentially denying drivers the opportunity to set another lap or making them waste tires setting laps they don't need to set!

How is it not obvious that having humans involved in the policing process is an inferior system to natural track limit deterrents? Most of the circuit has been designed properly. T7 and T10 are all wrong.

Drivers don't want natural limits in those fast corners because it's dangerous, like they don't want sausage kerbs. Just stay on track, they make mm perfect corners in monaco but can't keep it on track in an oval-like corner.

The Gasly stuff is a nothingburger, they review their own decisions quite quickly as it took them a couple minutes.

"A couple minutes". Did you know that Q3 for the sprint shootout is 8 minutes long? Do you think the drivers have "a couple minutes" to wait for race control?

I have only one answer for you: keep it on track.

People want to disqualify drivers causing red flags but a driver going out of track, that maybe would even crash on natural limits, is entitled to 30 other attempts until they make it.

[organic]

Man I really hope Ferrari don't let me down. I'm fully praying for leclerc vs verstappen on Sunday.

[organic]

Leclerc pole is still on



Here's the clip of the impeding



Magnussen's lap didn't stand as it was removed for track limits, but I don't think that is relevant to the possible impeding penalty

He's probably in kmag's way but I'm not sure he'll get a grid drop for that

[AR3-GP]

Drivers don't want natural limits in those fast corners because it's dangerous, like they don't want sausage kerbs. Just stay on track, they make mm perfect corners in monaco but can't keep it on track in an oval-like corner.

The Gasly stuff is a nothingburger, they review their own decisions quite quickly as it took them a couple minutes.

"A couple minutes". Did you know that Q3 for the sprint shootout is 8 minutes long? Do you think the drivers have "a couple minutes" to wait for race control?

I have only one answer for you: keep it on track.

People want to disqualify drivers causing red flags but a driver going out of track, that maybe would even crash on natural limits, is entitled to 30 other attempts until they make it.

A driver should not be entitled to 30 attempts until they make it. I don't follow your logic. With a proper edge to the track, drivers would either stay in, or be unable to complete the lap. Simple.

[DDopey]

Leclerc pole is still on

Here's the clip of the impeding

Magnussen's lap didn't stand as it was removed for track limits, but I don't think that is relevant to the possible impeding penalty

He's probably in kmag's way but I'm not sure he'll get a grid drop for that

Gary Connelly is targeting Max...again. Amazing how this is allowed. Kmag has already said that it did not matter, his track time was deleted anyway.

[101FlyingDutchman]

"A couple minutes". Did you know that Q3 for the sprint shootout is 8 minutes long? Do you think the drivers have "a couple minutes" to wait for race control?

I have only one answer for you: keep it on track.

People want to disqualify drivers causing red flags but a driver going out of track, that maybe would even crash on natural limits, is entitled to 30 other attempts until they make it.

A driver should not be entitled to 30 attempts until they make it. I don't follow your logic. With a proper edge to the track, drivers would either stay in, or be punished and they couldn't accidentally have a lap deleted by race control.

I agree. And those that finished clearly showed it’s possible without creating unfair advantage. I have no issue with track limits