2023 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, June 30 - July 02

[chrisc90]

That was a remarkable sight. However, it could give them grief with the cooler conditions tomorrow.

Tomorrow has to be warmer as far as I’m aware. No risk of rain

How's the visit been so far?

Great! Bit of a long travel to/from Vienna but the tracks been awesome! See tonnes of action from the stand and the rain didn’t really bother you much as wasn’t massively heavy!

Looking forward to tomorrow

[Sieper]

Good, enjoy!

[JPower]

Should be a good race tomorrow behind Max. Lewis will likely be right there with the Ferraris just knowing how well the Mercedes treats its tires.

This is the best Sainz has been since the 2nd half of the 2020 season. Quick and consistent. After a difficult 2022 its good to see him back to his strengths.

[Big Tea]

I thought a better race before allowing DRS. Could DRS be part of the problem (in normal races) not the answer?

In this race, yes. The DRS here is quite powerfull anyway and lots of cars were still out of position. In the drying it is perhaps better to leave it alone. But normally, imho we need DRS.

I would like to see it removed at least for a season, just for a try-out.
When it was introduced the cars were far different to today, and even then it just replaced racing with the ability to just blow past if you had more power.
As it was the most famous drivers and cars that benefit from it, there was little complaint (or little complaint from where it mattered).
I miss the cars setting up for takes into or out of corners, and the choice of opting for a high speed or good acceleration, but that is gone anyway now as power is a non issue and with the available power a faster car is usually going to fly by on the straight anyway.

[Zynerji]

I thought a better race before allowing DRS. Could DRS be part of the problem (in normal races) not the answer?

In this race, yes. The DRS here is quite powerfull anyway and lots of cars were still out of position. In the drying it is perhaps better to leave it alone. But normally, imho we need DRS.

I would like to see it removed at least for a season, just for a try-out.
When it was introduced the cars were far different to today, and even then it just replaced racing with the ability to just blow past if you had more power.
As it was the most famous drivers and cars that benefit from it, there was little complaint (or little complaint from where it mattered).
I miss the cars setting up for takes into or out of corners, and the choice of opting for a high speed or good acceleration, but that is gone anyway now as power is a non issue and with the available power a faster car is usually going to fly by on the straight anyway.

Let's try unlimited DRS before removing completely, please. Big balls before processions anyday!

[Big Tea]

In this race, yes. The DRS here is quite powerfull anyway and lots of cars were still out of position. In the drying it is perhaps better to leave it alone. But normally, imho we need DRS.

I would like to see it removed at least for a season, just for a try-out.
When it was introduced the cars were far different to today, and even then it just replaced racing with the ability to just blow past if you had more power.
As it was the most famous drivers and cars that benefit from it, there was little complaint (or little complaint from where it mattered).
I miss the cars setting up for takes into or out of corners, and the choice of opting for a high speed or good acceleration, but that is gone anyway now as power is a non issue and with the available power a faster car is usually going to fly by on the straight anyway.

Let's try unlimited DRS before removing completely, please. Big balls before processions anyday!

What would be the advantage of unlimited DRS? If everyone has it it is not going to make any difference?
If you gain 15mph, so does the car in front of you.

[Zynerji]

I would like to see it removed at least for a season, just for a try-out.
When it was introduced the cars were far different to today, and even then it just replaced racing with the ability to just blow past if you had more power.
As it was the most famous drivers and cars that benefit from it, there was little complaint (or little complaint from where it mattered).
I miss the cars setting up for takes into or out of corners, and the choice of opting for a high speed or good acceleration, but that is gone anyway now as power is a non issue and with the available power a faster car is usually going to fly by on the straight anyway.

Let's try unlimited DRS before removing completely, please. Big balls before processions anyday!

What would be the advantage of unlimited DRS? If everyone has it it is not going to make any difference?
If you gain 15mph, so does the car in front of you.

Watch the 2011ish qualifying where it was unlimited. It definitely separated the men from the boys.

[Big Tea]

Let's try unlimited DRS before removing completely, please. Big balls before processions anyday!

What would be the advantage of unlimited DRS? If everyone has it it is not going to make any difference?
If you gain 15mph, so does the car in front of you.

Watch the 2011ish qualifying where it was unlimited. It definitely separated the men from the boys.

'The Men' being those in the 3 fastest teams who would have filled the top spots anyway?

[vorticism]

What would be the advantage of unlimited DRS? If everyone has it it is not going to make any difference?
If you gain 15mph, so does the car in front of you.

2009-2010 they had it on the FW, might be worth recollecting.

Watch the 2011ish qualifying where it was unlimited. It definitely separated the men from the boys.

2010 they were operating the F-duct, which meant one hand on the wheel, while holding the front DRS, and when adjusting the brake bias I think I even saw zero hands on the wheel at one point and many were still paddle shifting.

[Sevach]

What stood out today was how close the cars are. A williams, a Haas, a mclaren, an alpine, an Alfa romeo were not walk overs for top cars like Ferrari and Mercedes. The only weak one is the Toro Roso. If everyone catches up to redbull the races should be exciting in the future.

In a way budget cap + aero sliding scale is delivering what they were made to do, and then there's Red Bull with Verstappen.

[Just_a_fan]

What would be the advantage of unlimited DRS? If everyone has it it is not going to make any difference?
If you gain 15mph, so does the car in front of you.

2009-2010 they had it on the FW, might be worth recollecting.

The front wing system actually added front flap IIRC in order to compensate for the loss of front downforce when trying to follow. So the opposite of DRS really.

[AR3-GP]

What stood out today was how close the cars are. A williams, a Haas, a mclaren, an alpine, an Alfa romeo were not walk overs for top cars like Ferrari and Mercedes.

Isn't this primarily because DRS was disabled?

[Matt2725]

I like George, but aren't you supposed to stay to the right of the pit entry line when entering said pits? It might have changed but I remember Yuki being penalised for straying wide twice at this same circuit.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

This was from the lap he entered the pits for softs in the sprint.

[AR3-GP]

I like George, but aren't you supposed to stay to the right of the pit entry line when entering said pits? It might have changed but I remember Yuki being penalised for straying wide twice at this same circuit.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

This was from the lap he entered the pits for softs in the sprint.
https://i.imgur.com/RYGcniw.png

You are not wrong. Here are the event notes for this weekend:






It would be difficult to argue that this qualifies for force majeure considering that the DRS had been enabled and the circuit was almost dry at this point. He also didn't have any mechanical issue that might have qualified for an abrupt pitlane visit.

[Matt2725]

So it would appear he dodged a penalty on that one, unless they ignored it due to conditions? Can't see how they could since he was pitting for slicks and DRS was being enabled momentarily.

Curious....