2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[ringo]

For me the track limits thing should not be enforced in front limited corners unless the car is off track by a foot (all 4 tyres).
It seems wrong getting a penalty for the tyre being just 2mm over the line.
Let them all swing it out to get the fastest lap time.
On corners where the case is more corner cutting than it is understeering then that should be black and white.
But anyhow its a strange pebalty riddled race. Making the drivers look like amateurs.

[e30ernest]

For me the track limits thing should not be enforced in front limited corners unless the car is off track by a foot (all 4 tyres).
It seems wrong getting a penalty for the tyre being just 2mm over the line.

I disagree. Whether it's all 4 tires off or just 2mm off, it's the same, they went over the line. If we went with the all 4 tires off you can say the last tire was just 2mm over and so on.

Policing track limits is fine. They just have to be consistent with it and also come up with a proper system to track the violations in real time.

[SparkyAMG]

I've always been of the opinion that they should just leave track limits enforcement well alone and just let the drivers do what needs to be done to get around quickly.

The caveat to that is that they should have proper physical detergents in place (grass, barriers, gravel) outside of curbs so that when drivers do go too far they're punished that way instead.

[slinger]

Can they not ring the track with a transmitter cable and have an set of sensors across the car scanning for the cable and giving the driver a feedback with a set of lights like the gearchange lights?
Green..Orange..Red....you're out, upload to FIA...

[proteus]

"The situation with track limits was difficult; the notifications were coming in after the fact, so Lewis ended up with a penalty before we could do anything about it." - Shovlin

The stewards couldn't keep up with the track limits, sounds like Shov is saying the first time LH hears of it he's given the B&W flag, is this true?

The amount of violations shows overall lack of respect to track limits by drivers. Now there are 4 things that have or can be done in this regard: Either drivers braking more before entry, changing the corner layout, changing car designs to be more nimble or putting a permanent obsticle/grass/gravel in place.

[CaribouBread]

Was there any extra information on the brake issue they were nursing in the race?

[DGP123]

Was there any extra information on the brake issue they were nursing in the race?

From what I’ve seen, and from what Toto said, there didn’t seem to be an actual brake problem. It was more the car performance being terrible, and the car sliding through the braking zones and into the corners, giving the drivers no grip.

[F1Krof]

My guess is they probably messed up the setup and probably went too light on downforce.

The Monaco package wasn’t meant to be bringing a huge performance boost but rather make the car more compliant and predictable.

The Silverstone package (based on early season development) should hopefully bring actual performance gains. They haven’t really upgraded the underbody all season (only floor edges), and they desperately need a more efficient rear wing and probably new front wing as well. Assuming the upcoming package will focus on those areas.

I do wonder whether they’ll bring new sidepods too. Always got the impression that the Monaco sidepods were simply a stopgap.

JA interview with AMUS seemed to indicate that the Silverstone package is going to be big for Merc.

He also seemed to indicate that the side pods/engine cover of today aren't the final form, and that we'd all be "surprised" when they are out on the car.

Hamilton said he took front wing out today to try and strengthen the rear and get the balance right. This didn't work obviously. I think Merc tried to make the best of --- sandwich from FP1.

Redbull definitely had reserve race pace in Canada, despite the thoughts here to the contrary. I had guessed a half second at least and I can't see how it could be less than that.

That'd be fudging astonishing surprise if they turned out with another version of zero-pods

[pursue_one's]

Was there any extra information on the brake issue they were nursing in the race?

Lap8, Being told to use BMIG4, and brake magic into T3-T4.
Nothing else in particular.

[Alex_Z]

"The situation with track limits was difficult; the notifications were coming in after the fact, so Lewis ended up with a penalty before we could do anything about it." - Shovlin

The stewards couldn't keep up with the track limits, sounds like Shov is saying the first time LH hears of it he's given the B&W flag, is this true?

The amount of violations shows overall lack of respect to track limits by drivers. Now there are 4 things that have or can be done in this regard: Either drivers braking more before entry, changing the corner layout, changing car designs to be more nimble or putting a permanent obsticle/grass/gravel in place.

I'm not sure what this has to do with my comment. The drivers were not being warned they were breaching track limits until 3rd or 4th time, by then its too late. If the stewards don't have the ability to dish out warnings in a timely fashion they shouldn't be monitoring track limits

[organic]

Was there any extra information on the brake issue they were nursing in the race?

Lewis said post race there was no specific issue with the car (eg a brake problem)

[AR3-GP]

Lewis may have just been surprised by how bad the car was, that he believed there had to have been a technical issue at the time. At the end they must have let him know, there was no issue, the car was just bad.

Toto practically said the same thing mid-race.

[proteus]

"The situation with track limits was difficult; the notifications were coming in after the fact, so Lewis ended up with a penalty before we could do anything about it." - Shovlin

The stewards couldn't keep up with the track limits, sounds like Shov is saying the first time LH hears of it he's given the B&W flag, is this true?

The amount of violations shows overall lack of respect to track limits by drivers. Now there are 4 things that have or can be done in this regard: Either drivers braking more before entry, changing the corner layout, changing car designs to be more nimble or putting a permanent obsticle/grass/gravel in place.

I'm not sure what this has to do with my comment. The drivers were not being warned they were breaching track limits until 3rd or 4th time, by then its too late. If the stewards don't have the ability to dish out warnings in a timely fashion they shouldn't be monitoring track limits

They had comms from Norris, and they have multiple camera angles. They waited until the number of violations burried them. Their statement admits that they were gambling to a point it was too late. And this is true for all violators.

And the most important thing: It is drivers job to drive clean and fair.

[Willy]

Where does Mercedes go from here? With all the work they have done under Allison's leadership hasn't really moved the competitive needle forward. Barcelona was always a friendly track that continued to be friendly. Canada was expectedly a difficult task, but it still gave a decent result due to Ferrari's starting behind. Team had admitted that Austria should have been a good track, but that wasn't the case. It could be that a combination of factors like, it was a Sprint weekend and Ferrari and McLaren having found form on this circuit that made it more difficult. Russell wasn't there to be seen with the most quiet weekend since he joined the team. All in all, a write off. Silverstone is another Barcelona type friendly track, which might again make things look good. Ferrari also goes well there. AM and the newly upgraded McLaren remains question marks. If all these teams find form once again, Silverstone might turn to be a difficult one too. That rumored Silverstone better be good to differentiate from these teams even if it doesn't bring them any closer to Red Bull.

[maygun]

Where does Mercedes go from here? With all the work they have done under Allison's leadership hasn't really moved the competitive needle forward. Barcelona was always a friendly track that continued to be friendly. Canada was expectedly a difficult task, but it still gave a decent result due to Ferrari's starting behind. Team had admitted that Austria should have been a good track, but that wasn't the case. It could be that a combination of factors like, it was a Sprint weekend and Ferrari and McLaren having found form on this circuit that made it more difficult. Russell wasn't there to be seen with the most quiet weekend since he joined the team. All in all, a write off. Silverstone is another Barcelona type friendly track, which might again make things look good. Ferrari also goes well there. AM and the newly upgraded McLaren remains question marks. If all these teams find form once again, Silverstone might turn to be a difficult one too. That rumored Silverstone better be good to differentiate from these teams even if it doesn't bring them any closer to Red Bull.

Starting from an idea to seeing it in the track takes at least a couple of months if you are very lucky that the idea works out-of-to box which is very very rare in engineering. So I would say to judge Allison's leadership, we need to wait a little.

In terms of competitiveness, understanding the regulations and the car is the most important thing to move forward and challenge others (and maybe one day RB), but from this weekend we can see that they don't understand or predict the car, which is a way bigger problem than the effectiveness of the upgrade packages.