2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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https://tvthek.orf.at/profile/Formel-1- ... otor&pos=1

As stated previously at Austria Marko confirmed no upgrades for Silverstone on Austria channel ORF in an interview.

Marko: no upgrades planned for silverstone

The tone was a bit like "we don't need them so why would we?", which isn't far from the truth; Silverstone should suit the car very, very well. I think Silverstone may be where the car performs best

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Red Bull have managed to hire Ferrari engineer Angelo Rossetti

He was originally meant to go to Merc, but Red Bull have made a better offer

Rossetti will bring knowledge gained on the latest generation of Ferrari engines in terms of the combustion chamber
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-me ... /10491548/
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The son of Dietrich Mateschitz, Mark celebrated also the RBR win in Austria.

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AR3-GP wrote:
05 Jul 2023, 18:05
Red Bull have managed to hire Ferrari engineer Angelo Rossetti

He was originally meant to go to Merc, but Red Bull have made a better offer

Rossetti will bring knowledge gained on the latest generation of Ferrari engines in terms of the combustion chamber
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-me ... /10491548/
This is starting to feel like trading collectible cards when we were kids :mrgreen:

"I will give you 3 top level non-chassis engineers and Mekies for a top-level aerodynamicist and 5-10 lower level aero/chassis engineers"
"No no, it's either 5 engineers on your end and getting Mekies free ASAP or no deal!"
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Vanja #66 wrote:
05 Jul 2023, 18:30
AR3-GP wrote:
05 Jul 2023, 18:05
Red Bull have managed to hire Ferrari engineer Angelo Rossetti

He was originally meant to go to Merc, but Red Bull have made a better offer

Rossetti will bring knowledge gained on the latest generation of Ferrari engines in terms of the combustion chamber
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-me ... /10491548/
This is starting to feel like trading collectible cards when we were kids :mrgreen:

"I will give you 3 top level non-chassis engineers and Mekies for a top-level aerodynamicist and 5-10 lower level aero/chassis engineers"
"No no, it's either 5 engineers on your end and getting Mekies free ASAP or no deal!"
The way I see it, it's the new way to acquire intelligence without an R&D cash outlay.

In the old regs, they would just spend whatever amount of money they wanted. Now, it's cheaper to hire someone who already knows.
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05 Jul 2023, 12:32
https://tvthek.orf.at/profile/Formel-1- ... otor&pos=1

As stated previously at Austria Marko confirmed no upgrades for Silverstone on Austria channel ORF in an interview.

Marko: no upgrades planned for silverstone

The tone was a bit like "we don't need them so why would we?", which isn't far from the truth; Silverstone should suit the car very, very well. I think Silverstone may be where the car performs best
If they really plan to stop upgrading, then it could reflect a plan to explore more "alternative" ideas for the RB20 which would require more WT tunnel time than continued massaging of the RB19. Often when you want to explore "alternatives" you have to take 1 step back to make 2 steps forwards. This is what initially condemned them to mild revisions of the RB18 to make the RB19. The cost cap penalty meant they simply couldn't afford to waste WT time experimenting.
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Today there was a charity event in the UK for Wing For Life with Horner, Albon, Cheko, Nyck, Yuki, Max and Ricciardo.

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It seems that RB think they are strong enough to win the championships 2009 style.
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05 Jul 2023, 23:29
It seems that RB think they are strong enough to win the championships 2009 style.
Assuming RB really will bring no more upgrades they're still in a position to win at least 50% of the remaining races. Other teams won't have enough development budget or wt time to bring more than a couple of further upgrades after Silverstone, if any at all. So let's see what happens. I expect a couple of bogey tracks in the second half to trip them up such as Monza where Ferrari are likely to be strong & Singapore where Ferrari/amr could compete

But the insider rumour that was spot on for other things earlier this season suggested after the Baku upgrade there would be one more worth around 3 tenths. This would be consistent with a new floor spec.

Max has also hinted to having "new things" "in the pipeline" in a few press conferences, as well as mentioning that the Monaco pictures won't matter as they'll have a new floor in a few races anyway.

Seems likely therefore that they could bring a new floor specification at some point, but are holding it back as the current spec components still have life. Like they did with the sidepod inlets, there's no need to bring the new component if the old component still can be run until it's toast. In long term you manufacture fewer components so it's cheaper.

So perhaps we'll see the floor upgrade somewhere like Hungary, Spa, Zandvoort.

Of course the longer they use the old spec floor the longer they hide their designs/ideas as well. Additionally each gp there's a small chance the car is stranded and lifted again

They played this game in the second half of last year already with the new chassis: it was not necessary so don't introduce it - use the spare chassis that you already have now that there is no real fight

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05 Jul 2023, 19:19
The way I see it, it's the new way to acquire intelligence without an R&D cash outlay.

In the old regs, they would just spend whatever amount of money they wanted. Now, it's cheaper to hire someone who already knows.
It's always been like that, but the cash dynamics has changed. Top-level management always had ridiculous amounts, but now only 3 of them can have that per team. This makes those who are the 4th, 5th, 6th etc. person in the team look elsewhere for a chance to step up (as always) but now with an added benefit of getting really, really big pay increase.

From what I understand, those who you can afford not to "include" in F1 stuff full time are included in the budget in proportion to their reported hours on F1 stuff, while they work on other things the rest of the time. I guess there are also people who get big pays that way, but the downside is you are not included in F1 as much as you'd like. That was the case with Rob Marshal, right?
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The Red Bull Racing F1 team can equal the 35-year-old record of eleven wins in a row in the Grand Prix of Great Britain next weekend.
That record from 1988 is held by McLaren with drivers Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost.

Red Bull has now won ten races in a row, with eight victories for Max Verstappen and two for Sergio Pérez.
The triumphal procession began in Abu Dhabi at the end of last year and has so far extended to last weekend's Austrian Grand Prix.

Verstappen is the designated driver to take the record.
The two-time world champion has won the last five races and after nine grands prix already has an 81-point lead over his first pursuer, his Mexican team-mate Pérez.
The Dutchman won once at Silverstone (2020), the 70th Anniversary Grand Prix, when two consecutive races were held at Silverstone.
Last year he finished seventh, because he could not reach top speed with a broken underside of his car.
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July 6 2023 RED BULL RING
Oracle Red Bull Racing have arrived in Spielberg for the 2023 Austrian Grand Prix, hot off the back of winning our 100th Formula 1 race at the previous Canadian Grand Prix.
It is a historical moment for the whole Team and to celebrate, Behind The Charge is at the Red Bull Ring,
speaking to Team members who have been part of all 100 wins at the race track.
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organic wrote:
05 Jul 2023, 12:32
https://tvthek.orf.at/profile/Formel-1- ... otor&pos=1

As stated previously at Austria Marko confirmed no upgrades for Silverstone on Austria channel ORF in an interview.

Marko: no upgrades planned for silverstone

The tone was a bit like "we don't need them so why would we?", which isn't far from the truth; Silverstone should suit the car very, very well. I think Silverstone may be where the car performs best
Spa bud, Spa will be F1 porn if you're a RB fan.

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AR3-GP wrote:
05 Jul 2023, 19:20
organic wrote:
05 Jul 2023, 12:32
https://tvthek.orf.at/profile/Formel-1- ... otor&pos=1

As stated previously at Austria Marko confirmed no upgrades for Silverstone on Austria channel ORF in an interview.

Marko: no upgrades planned for silverstone

The tone was a bit like "we don't need them so why would we?", which isn't far from the truth; Silverstone should suit the car very, very well. I think Silverstone may be where the car performs best
If they really plan to stop upgrading, then it could reflect a plan to explore more "alternative" ideas for the RB20 which would require more WT tunnel time than continued massaging of the RB19. Often when you want to explore "alternatives" you have to take 1 step back to make 2 steps forwards. This is what initially condemned them to mild revisions of the RB18 to make the RB19. The cost cap penalty meant they simply couldn't afford to waste WT time experimenting.
I don't see this. I simply believe they have a no compromise approach to the development of RB20 which involves not reducing their WT development time for that car. This necessitates cutting in severely to the RB19's WT time as they already have by far the least time overall.

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Cs98 wrote:
06 Jul 2023, 19:14
organic wrote:
05 Jul 2023, 12:32
https://tvthek.orf.at/profile/Formel-1- ... otor&pos=1

As stated previously at Austria Marko confirmed no upgrades for Silverstone on Austria channel ORF in an interview.

Marko: no upgrades planned for silverstone

The tone was a bit like "we don't need them so why would we?", which isn't far from the truth; Silverstone should suit the car very, very well. I think Silverstone may be where the car performs best
Spa bud, Spa will be F1 porn if you're a RB fan.
Last year RB didn't gain much when they were able to run lower. Their advantage was running softly sprung and their car still producing a lot of df across a wide range of ride heights. The same is true with the rb19 but a big part of df is sacrificed when they have to back off the ride height. So far this year where they've had trouble with the kerbs/bumps they've looked less superior (Canada, Australia) than at smoother tracks where they can run lower.

Spa is the ultimate test as it has the maximum vertical compression of the suspension across the calendar at eau rouge.. I think with this year's car they won't have such a large edge at spa with them being forced to compromise a little on ride height and suspension, unlike last year.

Idk just my thoughts