2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[AR3-GP]

Hamilton was giving the RB a proper stare down after the race today:

https://i.postimg.cc/7PMBFJ7V/image.png
https://i.postimg.cc/j56XYBW5/image.png

There's video of him doing that recently and then talking to the team pointing to a bit of the car, explaining what the other car has on it. Maybe they want to see something that isn't clear in photos.

It's disheartening that our forum research is not good enough for them

[ringo]

Hamilton was giving the RB a proper stare down after the race today:

https://i.postimg.cc/7PMBFJ7V/image.png
https://i.postimg.cc/j56XYBW5/image.png

Russel focused on Lewis and Lewis focused on the RB19.

[Willy]

Hamilton was giving the RB a proper stare down after the race today:

https://i.postimg.cc/7PMBFJ7V/image.png
https://i.postimg.cc/j56XYBW5/image.png

There's video of him doing that recently and then talking to the team pointing to a bit of the car, explaining what the other car has on it. Maybe they want to see something that isn't clear in photos.

It's disheartening that our forum research is not good enough for them

Is there a single element of RB19 or SF23 or W14, whose close up photo or video isn't available in 4K online?

[PlatinumZealot]

A serious question?

Driver wouldn't be sent to look if cameras could capture everything.

[AR3-GP]

A serious question?

Driver wouldn't be sent to look if cameras could capture everything.

I don't think the drivers are being "sent". I think they are simply occupying their own curiosities. Vettel was like this as well. There simply isn't anything that the teams have not seen already on the grid or in the garages.

[Just_a_fan]

There's video of him doing that recently and then talking to the team pointing to a bit of the car, explaining what the other car has on it. Maybe they want to see something that isn't clear in photos.

It's disheartening that our forum research is not good enough for them

Is there a single element of RB19 or SF23 or W14, whose close up photo or video isn't available in 4K online?

All are 2D. Looking at something in the flesh often makes a particular detail's relationship to other items more understandable.

[basti313]

A serious question?

Driver wouldn't be sent to look if cameras could capture everything.

I don't think the drivers are being "sent". I think they are simply occupying their own curiosities. Vettel was like this as well. There simply isn't anything that the teams have not seen already on the grid or in the garages.

But Vettel was mostly looking into the cockpits or at tires. Ham was not doing this before, that was inspector Vettel. This is a bit of show here now...

[Willy]

It's disheartening that our forum research is not good enough for them

Is there a single element of RB19 or SF23 or W14, whose close up photo or video isn't available in 4K online?

All are 2D. Looking at something in the flesh often makes a particular detail's relationship to other items more understandable.

Didn't Racing Point build a whole replica by using Photos?

[e30ernest]

Is there a single element of RB19 or SF23 or W14, whose close up photo or video isn't available in 4K online?

All are 2D. Looking at something in the flesh often makes a particular detail's relationship to other items more understandable.

Didn't Racing Point build a whole replica by using Photos?

If I recall correctly they used laser-based photography so it was able to take 3D data. That's now banned.

[Willy]

All are 2D. Looking at something in the flesh often makes a particular detail's relationship to other items more understandable.

Didn't Racing Point build a whole replica by using Photos?

If I recall correctly they used laser-based photography so it was able to take 3D data. That's now banned.

Engineers don't unlearn techniques, despite the change of medium to collect information.

From the man who has been there.

https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/10884 ... -w14-rb19/

“Of course they have incredible talent at Mercedes,” he told Sky Sports. “And now the pictures from Monaco help a lot because thanks to Sergio’s crash there’s beautiful pictures of the underbody of the car.

“They can now take from those pictures and create a whole CAD (computer-aided design) model and do a whole accurate design in the computer of what that car is actually doing.

[ValeVida46]

Reason? Be honest with what you are seeing...you really think they are second in WCC because of their pace or the issues of others?

Both Ferrari and Mclaren were faster today. Ferrai did a Ferrari and got in their own way + were unlucky.

If you want to throw a party for being 2nd in WCC. Then thats good for you. But in their effort to catch up to Red Bull, they are still in the wilderness. While other teams are taking big leaps

Consistency.

Ferrari flounder and shine. Aston are now in that same boat, having been way ahead of Merc, and slapped on a larger upgrade package than Merc, and now being beaten by Merc. McLaren were nowhere for 8 races, and only now are starting to show form.

Each team has it's own set of problems and all will vary to some degree with how updates are managed. It should be noted that McLaren, Aston and Ferrari have all brought new floors whereas Mercedes are still running their first iteration. As I have repeatedly said many times on these threads, criticisms are fine and good if constructive.

[ValeVida46]

Ferrari would've finished ahead of both Merc if they didn't bottled the strategy as they usually do.
Russell couldn't pass Leclerc on track with softer tyres.
Hamilton spent most of the first stint +2/2.5sec behind Sainz. He closed on the gap to +1.2 at the end of Sainz' stint, but he couldn't get any closer.

As I said, the team is good at maximizing, and they've go - probably - the best driver pairing. But they were not so much faster than the Ferrari and were slower than the McLaren, and given their one lap pace on Saturday + lack of top speed it's pretty lucky to finish P5 and P3.

That's simple gap management. Hamilton was faster than Sainz but had to hold back to protect from graining issues, especially in the first stint of a race with laden fuel tanks. At the end of the race it's a lesser problem and he still got the graining and lost the rear tyres after 6 laps of chasing Lando.

Le Clerc was following the Williams of Albon and made no impression, for the same reason as Hamilton. By equal measure of your observation, you would then have to assume that the Williams is quicker than the Ferrari.

[zubster]

Really surprised they haven't done a new floor yet but perhaps the architecture of the tub is not allowing them to make the changes the want. Perhaps a new rear wing is to follow on from the new front wing?

[r85]

Really surprised they haven't done a new floor yet but perhaps the architecture of the tub is not allowing them to make the changes the want. Perhaps a new rear wing is to follow on from the new front wing?

I'm still guessing a new but somewhat compromised floor will come to Hungary or Belgium. The tub could be affecting their in-season development considering their change in development direction starting from Monaco, but it's better to have a new half-baked floor that increases rear downforce which in exchange, will help them understand their direction for the rest of the season and beyond.

[Spoutnik]

Ferrari would've finished ahead of both Merc if they didn't bottled the strategy as they usually do.
Russell couldn't pass Leclerc on track with softer tyres.
Hamilton spent most of the first stint +2/2.5sec behind Sainz. He closed on the gap to +1.2 at the end of Sainz' stint, but he couldn't get any closer.

As I said, the team is good at maximizing, and they've go - probably - the best driver pairing. But they were not so much faster than the Ferrari and were slower than the McLaren, and given their one lap pace on Saturday + lack of top speed it's pretty lucky to finish P5 and P3.

That's simple gap management. Hamilton was faster than Sainz but had to hold back to protect from graining issues, especially in the first stint of a race with laden fuel tanks. At the end of the race it's a lesser problem and he still got the graining and lost the rear tyres after 6 laps of chasing Lando.

Le Clerc was following the Williams of Albon and made no impression, for the same reason as Hamilton. By equal measure of your observation, you would then have to assume that the Williams is quicker than the Ferrari.

I know he was not full beans after having to overtake Gasly and Alonso on first few laps, nevertheless Sainz was also protecting his tyres [even with Russelle and Leclerc battling and losing time fighting each others he was not coming back at them], especially with Ferrari concerns about tyre deg (thats also why they pitted so early..). When Russell started a bit out of position in Spain, he managed to clear both Aston and Sainz pretty easily... When you are faster you are faster. Closing 1.5 in 15 laps isn't being faster, especially when it's Lewis vs Carlos.
Overall as I said Ferrari are downplaying their pace to hide the fact that without the dreadful strategy they could've finished ahead of one of the Merc at least, and maybe on the podium for one of them if they benefited from SC.
At the end of the day Merc will still believe it's a good day but it was not on a raw pace imo.

Leclerc was clearly faster than the Williams but he couldn't overtake Albon cause the Williams has too much top speed + it had DRS...