2023 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, July 21 - 23

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Re: 2023 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, July 21 - 23

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Weren't Mercedes quicker in the slow speed corners in Silverstone after the front wing update.

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Cs98 wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 13:43
If it weren't for Verstappen these weekends would be crazy. Ferrari, Merc, AM, Macca, Perez, no one knows the order
Yeah, the order is not a given, but that hasn’t translated into good racing whatsoever. They might be close, especially in Q, but the races have been snoozefests. Hungary is difficult to overtake, and in the dry, produces relatively boring races. It’s always the drying track in Hungary that has produced the best races.

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Cs98 wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 13:45
haza wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 13:30
McLaren will be an unknown till quali/race they have upgrades focused on race pace for this circuit but they’ve had a tendency to not show any pace till quali an with the updates I expect that trend to continue Mercedes and Aston should fair much better here with low speed seeming to be there strong suit. Ferraris chances? as usual Ferrari’s biggest threat seems to be themselves they should be up there with macca merc and Aston but as we all know Ferrari strategy will determine there fate this week
Low speed is not the strong suit of Merc, it's their weakness. AM is strong on rear limited tracks, which I think this is, so should be good for them. Ferrari's weakness recently has been high speed, so I suspect they will be better here than in Silverstone, provided they don't fry the tyres. McLaren is a bit unknown. Their strength in Silverstone was high speed, so maybe not quite as strong here.
If you saw comments from the last race, low speed is now a supposed strength, thanks to the updated front wing. They actually think the front wing will make more of a difference here with all the low speed corners. We shall see.

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DGP123 wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 15:56
Cs98 wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 13:43
If it weren't for Verstappen these weekends would be crazy. Ferrari, Merc, AM, Macca, Perez, no one knows the order
Yeah, the order is not a given, but that hasn’t translated into good racing whatsoever. They might be close, especially in Q, but the races have been snoozefests. Hungary is difficult to overtake, and in the dry, produces relatively boring races. It’s always the drying track in Hungary that has produced the best races.
Last year's race wasn't a snoozefest at all. Leclerc would have likely won if he didn't have to put on the hards for his final stint. Hamilton could have won if he started on pole. Overtaking was easier because you could follow another car close in the final corner.

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The worse is to hit this weekend. F1 will be testing the new ATA (Alternative Tyre Allocation) Qualifying format this weekend. This Qualifying format will be:
Q1 - Hard Tyres
Q2 - Medium Tyres
Q3 - Soft Tyres

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Willy wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 17:27
The worse is to hit this weekend. F1 will be testing the new ATA (Alternative Tyre Allocation) Qualifying format this weekend. This Qualifying format will be:
Q1 - Hard Tyres
Q2 - Medium Tyres
Q3 - Soft Tyres
Hard tires in Hungary can be very tricky. Good luck to the teams.
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Hoping for a mixed condition qualifying to avoid the Alt Tire BS.

Q1 will just be a competition of who can fire their tires up the fastest.

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JPower wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 17:52
Hoping for a mixed condition qualifying to avoid the Alt Tire BS.

Q1 will just be a competition of who can fire their tires up the fastest.
Q1 more likely to have everyone out on track doing multiple laps and just getting better. Similar to what we’ve seen at a few races this season.
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Willy wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 17:27
The worse is to hit this weekend. F1 will be testing the new ATA (Alternative Tyre Allocation) Qualifying format this weekend. This Qualifying format will be:
Q1 - Hard Tyres
Q2 - Medium Tyres
Q3 - Soft Tyres
Great, more "fake excitement" in F1.

What next? Power boost bonuses that can activated by jumping the car off a ramp and through a suspended hoop? :lol:
If you are more fortunate than others, build a larger table not a taller fence.

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Just_a_fan wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 18:25
Willy wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 17:27
The worse is to hit this weekend. F1 will be testing the new ATA (Alternative Tyre Allocation) Qualifying format this weekend. This Qualifying format will be:
Q1 - Hard Tyres
Q2 - Medium Tyres
Q3 - Soft Tyres
Great, more "fake excitement" in F1.

What next? Power boost bonuses that can activated by jumping the car off a ramp and through a suspended hoop? :lol:
Not really excitement, but a way to save tires. Still, kind of annoying.

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JPower wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 19:10
Just_a_fan wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 18:25
Willy wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 17:27
The worse is to hit this weekend. F1 will be testing the new ATA (Alternative Tyre Allocation) Qualifying format this weekend. This Qualifying format will be:
Q1 - Hard Tyres
Q2 - Medium Tyres
Q3 - Soft Tyres
Great, more "fake excitement" in F1.

What next? Power boost bonuses that can activated by jumping the car off a ramp and through a suspended hoop? :lol:
Not really excitement, but a way to save tires. Still, kind of annoying.
I think it's about forcing the teams to spend more time on track to ensure they don't get caught out by an improving track / tyre warming issue.

One thing I do hate about it is that it prevents a "lower" team from rolling the dice and chucking a soft on at the end of Q1 to see if they can get in to Q2. It effectively cements the grid in the general farm of the WCC standings. So fewer chances of a mixed up grid. In fact, it reduces the chance of excitement, now I think about it.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 19:15
JPower wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 19:10
Just_a_fan wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 18:25


Great, more "fake excitement" in F1.

What next? Power boost bonuses that can activated by jumping the car off a ramp and through a suspended hoop? :lol:
Not really excitement, but a way to save tires. Still, kind of annoying.
I think it's about forcing the teams to spend more time on track to ensure they don't get caught out by an improving track / tyre warming issue.

One thing I do hate about it is that it prevents a "lower" team from rolling the dice and chucking a soft on at the end of Q1 to see if they can get in to Q2. It effectively cements the grid in the general farm of the WCC standings. So fewer chances of a mixed up grid. In fact, it reduces the chance of excitement, now I think about it.
Nope, literally just to save 20 sets of tires as part of the sustainability initiative. Now tire availability goes from 13 sets to 11 sets per team.

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JPower wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 19:28
Just_a_fan wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 19:15
JPower wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 19:10


Not really excitement, but a way to save tires. Still, kind of annoying.
I think it's about forcing the teams to spend more time on track to ensure they don't get caught out by an improving track / tyre warming issue.

One thing I do hate about it is that it prevents a "lower" team from rolling the dice and chucking a soft on at the end of Q1 to see if they can get in to Q2. It effectively cements the grid in the general farm of the WCC standings. So fewer chances of a mixed up grid. In fact, it reduces the chance of excitement, now I think about it.
Nope, literally just to save 20 sets of tires as part of the sustainability initiative. Now tire availability goes from 13 sets to 11 sets per team.
Ha ha, they could do that and more by cutting down on some of the unnecessary races on the calendar. But that would cost LM money so... :roll:
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Just_a_fan wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 18:25
Willy wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 17:27
The worse is to hit this weekend. F1 will be testing the new ATA (Alternative Tyre Allocation) Qualifying format this weekend. This Qualifying format will be:
Q1 - Hard Tyres
Q2 - Medium Tyres
Q3 - Soft Tyres
Great, more "fake excitement" in F1.

What next? Power boost bonuses that can activated by jumping the car off a ramp and through a suspended hoop? :lol:
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Willy wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 17:27
The worse is to hit this weekend. F1 will be testing the new ATA (Alternative Tyre Allocation) Qualifying format this weekend. This Qualifying format will be:
Q1 - Hard Tyres
Q2 - Medium Tyres
Q3 - Soft Tyres
Perez is going to really struggle in Q1 if he has not sorted his prep lap issues out!!