2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

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Italian media reporting that Loic Serra (Mercedes' Performance Director) has been poached by Ferrari after failing to recruit Pierre Wache out of Red Bull. Yet another one bites the dust...

https://formu1a.uno/esclusiva-ferrari-e ... a-vasseur/

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Just_a_fan wrote:
21 Jul 2023, 10:34
Toto's job is only at risk in the minds of a few Red Bull types that have spent the last 18 months poking at Mercedes fans in the Mercedes threads and now, as it seems that Mercedes might be slowly finding their way, are calling for Toto's head. One must question the motives of those posters rather than spending time stooping to massage their fantasies.

The amount of low-level / subliminal trolling going on in here over the past year or so has impressive. Sadly, it has been allowed to continue for far too long.
Shows they are scared of a merc comback

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My personal opinion is the Toto is the only team boss who has massive interests OUTSIDE F1 including sitting on the board, advisor, owning companies. Where people like Horner have 1 job/interest and that is the f1 job. THis is bound to have some affect on seeing the details of his Merc F1 operation. Its the same with LEwis i don't know how he keeps his head in F1 when he has so so much outside F1 going on. SOmething has to give, at sometime.

GOing back to toto maybe he needs to be honest and maybe pass more responsibilities EARLIER to James Vowels like from 2021+? as James being more technical maybe could of swinged changes earlier as he saw the issues. Toto i am not sure how close he is to the detail on the shop floor, as he was like 2-3 years ago.

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Only 1,5h till FP1 so hopefully this braindead discussion stops. Last few pages would be low even for Reddit standards.

Plus mstar I guess you mean Alisson not Vowles.

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mkay wrote:
21 Jul 2023, 10:35
Italian media reporting that Loic Serra (Mercedes' Performance Director) has been poached by Ferrari after failing to recruit Pierre Wache out of Red Bull. Yet another one bites the dust...

https://formu1a.uno/esclusiva-ferrari-e ... a-vasseur/
What does a "performance director" do?
A lion must kill its prey.

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mstar wrote:
21 Jul 2023, 11:20
My personal opinion is the Toto is the only team boss who has massive interests OUTSIDE F1 including sitting on the board, advisor, owning companies. Where people like Horner have 1 job/interest and that is the f1 job. THis is bound to have some affect on seeing the details of his Merc F1 operation. Its the same with LEwis i don't know how he keeps his head in F1 when he has so so much outside F1 going on. SOmething has to give, at sometime.

GOing back to toto maybe he needs to be honest and maybe pass more responsibilities EARLIER to James Vowels like from 2021+? as James being more technical maybe could of swinged changes earlier as he saw the issues. Toto i am not sure how close he is to the detail on the shop floor, as he was like 2-3 years ago.
Having something "away from work" is an important part of work-life balance. Some drivers live F1 / racing and some don't. Hamilton has a lot of extra-curricular stuff but then he also has a lot of racing success, so one doesn't have to affect the other.
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"Things are in the pipeline for many races to come, and that's always the case because it takes time to build things.

"James is great. We've got a really good relationship. He knows when to be stern - he's probably never soft, to be honest!

"We had a great meeting just the other day where we had all the heads of departments within the room, George and I, and just making sure we're on the same page.

"There was great communication and we have 100% faith in them. I think, just as a group, we will get to where we need to be. It is just going to take some time."
https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamil ... /10497939/
A lion must kill its prey.

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AR3-GP wrote:
21 Jul 2023, 13:03
mkay wrote:
21 Jul 2023, 10:35
Italian media reporting that Loic Serra (Mercedes' Performance Director) has been poached by Ferrari after failing to recruit Pierre Wache out of Red Bull. Yet another one bites the dust...

https://formu1a.uno/esclusiva-ferrari-e ... a-vasseur/
What does a "performance director" do?
His role involves working with tyre, suspension, aerodynamic and Power Unit experts to ensure the various characteristics work towards an overall package that is both fast and reliable

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AR3-GP wrote:
"Things are in the pipeline for many races to come, and that's always the case because it takes time to build things.

"James is great. We've got a really good relationship. He knows when to be stern - he's probably never soft, to be honest!

"We had a great meeting just the other day where we had all the heads of departments within the room, George and I, and just making sure we're on the same page.

"There was great communication and we have 100% faith in them. I think, just as a group, we will get to where we need to be. It is just going to take some time."
https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamil ... /10497939/
Points towards needed change in the chassis and crash structures to go fully down the path they see as fastest. Wouldn't be surprised to see a significant cooling repacking next year as I think they are constrained by zero pod even without them bolted on.

I'd love to see what in season development they could do without the cap

For the rest of this year I think we will see additional little modification to optimiywhat they can.

Glad that James is back, he has the driver's trust and that is worth a ton.

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denyall wrote:
21 Jul 2023, 15:52
AR3-GP wrote:
"Things are in the pipeline for many races to come, and that's always the case because it takes time to build things.

"James is great. We've got a really good relationship. He knows when to be stern - he's probably never soft, to be honest!

"We had a great meeting just the other day where we had all the heads of departments within the room, George and I, and just making sure we're on the same page.

"There was great communication and we have 100% faith in them. I think, just as a group, we will get to where we need to be. It is just going to take some time."
https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamil ... /10497939/
Points towards needed change in the chassis and crash structures to go fully down the path they see as fastest. Wouldn't be surprised to see a significant cooling repacking next year as I think they are constrained by zero pod even without them bolted on.

I'd love to see what in season development they could do without the cap

For the rest of this year I think we will see additional little modification to optimiywhat they can.

Glad that James is back, he has the driver's trust and that is worth a ton.
They are hemmed in by the basic chassis architecture, slimming the chassis means that other things need to move (a bit like blowing up a balloon and then tying a piece of string around the middle - the volume needs to go somewhere).
I’m amazed that they were able to rework the front suspension into significant anti-dive without having to retest the chassis (genuinely impressed with that).
Last year the position of the radiators/cooling really hurt them wrt the floor & porpoising.
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Anyhow how are the cars looking this weekend?
I missed practice.
I was looking on the points and i beleive Hamilton may be able to overtake Alonso in the overall standings. He could try and get and hold P3. If in P3 and some breaches take place by redbull again, maybe that turn to P1. :mrgreen:
Desipte the negativity towards Toto being in P2 now with possible sporting breaches to be revealed for all teams in not a bad place to be in .
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ringo wrote:
22 Jul 2023, 02:07
Anyhow how are the cars looking this weekend?
I missed practice.
I was looking on the points and i beleive Hamilton may be able to overtake Alonso in the overall standings. He could try and get and hold P3. If in P3 and some breaches take place by redbull again, maybe that turn to P1. :mrgreen:
Desipte the negativity towards Toto being in P2 now with possible sporting breaches to be revealed for all teams in not a bad place to be in .
They’ve only used 1 set of mediums in FP2, so unclear as to where they stand over 1 lap, and variance in tyre usage across teams render race sim comparison futile.

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AR3-GP wrote:
21 Jul 2023, 13:13
"Things are in the pipeline for many races to come, and that's always the case because it takes time to build things.

"James is great. We've got a really good relationship. He knows when to be stern - he's probably never soft, to be honest!

"We had a great meeting just the other day where we had all the heads of departments within the room, George and I, and just making sure we're on the same page.

"There was great communication and we have 100% faith in them. I think, just as a group, we will get to where we need to be. It is just going to take some time."
https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamil ... /10497939/
sounds more like a crisis "lets get every head/manager and have a think/what do we do next" meeting to me. Maybe they discussed after summer break should we move to 2024? maybe that was the jist of the meeting?

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That's a bit of a leap isn't it?

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Unc1eM0nty wrote:
22 Jul 2023, 11:08
That's a bit of a leap isn't it?
Usual merc fp2 -> fp3 jump. Ok, this one was quite big, but I certainly wasn't expecting them languishing in lower top 10 based on fp1-fp2.