2023 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, July 21 - 23

[taperoo2k]

HHHHHHUUUUUNNGGARROOOOKKKIIIIINNGGG111!!!!?

AWesome qualifying!

But it was lost by Max more than won
by Lewis!

If you don't put the laptime in when it's needed, then expect to get beaten. Awesome lap from Lewis.
Very nice to see the McLarens on the second row. Perez managed to make it into Q3 but
not in a position Red Bull will have wanted. Daniel did about what I expected, 13th was probably
the best he could extract out of the AT.

Overall I think the new qualifying rules have worked out fairly well for mixing the grid up.
You can argue about less running in the practise sessions, but I think this is the change F1/Liberty
will push for.

[PlatinumZealot]

Hungaroring is one of those track surfaces very sensitive to sunlight and cloud cover, so with even with the same tyres over a session, it's always going to throw up a chance for a back-marker to benefit from being on the track at just the right time. Just have to wait and see how this "same tyre' sporting rule holds up the next time they try it.

[AMG.Tzan]

Any thoughts on new Silverstone tires playing a role in the competition getting closer?? Is this true or an illusion of high heat and track characteristics playing more of a role??

[Big Tea]

Exactly. And the tyre allocation rule will reduce that which is bad for the spectators.

So why not only have hard? They could get away with just 5 sets then.

Well, 5 sets is even fewer tyres and they wouldn't run at all in one or two FP sessions meaning even less on-track action for the spectators.

Would one set not last the full session? (if not make it so) They would not need to run permutations as there would be no tyre choice.

[Zynerji]

I've been advocating that the Knockout Qualifying was perfect, and could not be improved. I now stand corrected with the tyre mandate making the best Q in a long time.

Congrats to the Top 3! Let's see some wizardry tomorrow!

[AR3-GP]

Any thoughts on new Silverstone tires playing a role in the competition getting closer?? Is this true or an illusion of high heat and track characteristics playing more of a role??

McLaren was already there in Austria.

[AMG.Tzan]

Any thoughts on new Silverstone tires playing a role in the competition getting closer?? Is this true or an illusion of high heat and track characteristics playing more of a role??

McLaren was already there in Austria.

Aston Martin, Ferrari and Red Bull seem to have gone a bit backwards though, haven't they??

[chrisc90]

Any thoughts on new Silverstone tires playing a role in the competition getting closer?? Is this true or an illusion of high heat and track characteristics playing more of a role??

McLaren was already there in Austria.

Aston Martin, Ferrari and Red Bull seem to have gone a bit backwards though, haven't they??

Aston and Ferrari have most definitely. McLaren upgrade was just immense, Lets see if they can keep it up as AMR started similar at the start of 2023 and dropped back. I think the RB is still pretty much the same.
RB was still ~24 seconds+ (guess) at Austria than the next car back.
Silverstone was effectively nulled but it was 10seconds before the safety car and the gap ended up being 4 seconds at the end, so crude way is around 14seconds to Mclaren round Silverstone.

Fully expecting the gap to be a lot less this race. BUT.....stranger things have happened such as last year when Max was P10 starting the race due to a engine issue and finished 8 seconds ahead of Lewis. Different year, different cars, different positions, different drivers...so not really much comparison really.

Could well be a 2 stopper tomorrow given the heat. I really dont think the tyres are going to last long and itll show which teams are better at nursing the tyres than others. not sure RB is the one here this weekend.

[search]

Any thoughts on new Silverstone tires playing a role in the competition getting closer?? Is this true or an illusion of high heat and track characteristics playing more of a role??

McLaren was already there in Austria.

Aston Martin, Ferrari and Red Bull seem to have gone a bit backwards though, haven't they??

Hamilton seems to think so. DRS advantage gone, according to him



I think it has never worked as well on Red Bull's high downforce wing, though?!

[chrisc90]

On the flip side of Lewis' comments there then it means that Mercedes have taken a 2 tenths minimum upgrade with just a front wing and a suspension camber tweak and a rear endplate design. Sceptical. It is only fair to evaluate upgrades over the course of 2-3 races to get a idea of what is going on. That's not including the deficit to RB that Mercedes had prior to Hungary.

Next week at Spa will confirm/or deny the fact that Lewis thinks the RB DRS advantage has gone.

Lewis - don't run before you can walk.

[214270]

On the flip side of Lewis' comments there then it means that Mercedes have taken a 2 tenths minimum upgrade with just a front wing and a suspension camber tweak and a rear endplate design. Sceptical. It is only fair to evaluate upgrades over the course of 2-3 races to get a idea of what is going on. That's not including the deficit to RB that Mercedes had prior to Hungary.

Next week at Spa will confirm/or deny the fact that Lewis thinks the RB DRS advantage has gone.

Lewis - don't run before you can walk.

Vasseur is also implying the same thing.

[vanburin]

On the flip side of Lewis' comments there then it means that Mercedes have taken a 2 tenths minimum upgrade with just a front wing and a suspension camber tweak and a rear endplate design. Sceptical. It is only fair to evaluate upgrades over the course of 2-3 races to get a idea of what is going on. That's not including the deficit to RB that Mercedes had prior to Hungary.

Next week at Spa will confirm/or deny the fact that Lewis thinks the RB DRS advantage has gone.

Lewis - don't run before you can walk.

Lewis has ran so much over the years it's safe to say he's a marathan runner at this point

It's likely less noticeable here given the high downforce rear wing, but at the same time he's not the only one this weekend making a similar comment.

[chrisc90]

On the flip side of Lewis' comments there then it means that Mercedes have taken a 2 tenths minimum upgrade with just a front wing and a suspension camber tweak and a rear endplate design. Sceptical. It is only fair to evaluate upgrades over the course of 2-3 races to get a idea of what is going on. That's not including the deficit to RB that Mercedes had prior to Hungary.

Next week at Spa will confirm/or deny the fact that Lewis thinks the RB DRS advantage has gone.

Lewis - don't run before you can walk.

Vasseur is also implying the same thing.

Clearly the emotion was high given Lewis sticking the car on pole - on merit. Rightfully so. However it doesn't detract from the bigger picture overall of what is happening and how the weekend has played out. We have seen before that RB have often struggled a little when the car hasn't arrived with a good setup and the practice session(s) have been limited.

Come Spa - when the RB can stretch its legs and is a mostly high speed track with DRS....the tables might turn completely to this weekend.

[AR3-GP]

McLaren was already there in Austria.

Aston Martin, Ferrari and Red Bull seem to have gone a bit backwards though, haven't they??

Hamilton seems to think so. DRS advantage gone, according to him



I think it has never worked as well on Red Bull's high downforce wing, though?!

RB never had a DRS advantage when they run their max high downforce wings. This trend was also present last year.

Hamilton is simply mistaken about his conclusions.

[Aesop]

Aston Martin, Ferrari and Red Bull seem to have gone a bit backwards though, haven't they??

Hamilton seems to think so. DRS advantage gone, according to him



I think it has never worked as well on Red Bull's high downforce wing, though?!

RB never had a DRS advantage when they run their max high downforce wings. This trend was also present last year.

Hamilton is simply mistaken about his conclusions.

Great qualifying session, just a shame Lewis is playing politics in stead of just enjoying his pole.
Tomorrow he can hopefully stay ahead and give Max a rum for his money, though Max will probably be ahead after the first pitstops. Should be quite interesting battle for p2 after that though.