2023 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, July 28 - 30

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Max has been putting 1s/lap into the field in the wet in the past couple of years. Maybe the RB is ultra kind on its inters.

[Hoffman900]

In 2021 many complained about drivers barging past others on track with the car out of control and using that to get the upper hand wheel to wheel.. I see the same users now defending Hamilton and criticizing Perez in this situation

Anyway here's a comparison between tyres

Rears

https://i.imgur.com/gzJ4dVV.jpeg

Fronts

https://i.imgur.com/PKElTnq.jpeg

There was no barging happening here.

Ham attempted a perfectly pass, was squeezed onto the kerb, lost grip and drifted like a passenger (he didn't keep his foot in which Is the whole reason Perez got ahead in the first place) into a car that was taking an aggressive line to compromise his exit.

Anyway.

Is the RB just that nice to it's tyres or is it just fast enough on the straights that they dont even need to push in the corners?

These cars are so aero dominate that running in the vicinity of another car is always going to cause this to happen. No one here has experience with it, but drivers I know who raced Formula Atlantics also complained of it. In F1 it’s that times 100.

Indy Cars bounce off each other all the time and doesn’t result in endless whining by everyone, because everyone understands it’s racing and these things happen. In my eyes, they both were being stubborn / aggressive and contact happens. It’s racing, it’s going to happen.

But people have taken on these weird cult of teams for what are just big corporate brands and willing argue over it, and it’s nonsense. Imagine basing your personality around a car brand or a energy drink and some multi millionaire who lives in Monaco, and are willing to draw lines in the sand over it.

[101FlyingDutchman]

So just as I said, Ham understeer was due to breaking traction after getting onto the wet kerb, but they're ignoring the part where he was squeezed over there by the defending driver?

you folks must be blind as moles. defending rbr is the last thing I would do but this is an easy pen for ham, not much to discuss really. sucks that it ended that way and these moves are incredibly inconsistently ruled, but this is an easy penalty. Ham is the best drivers on the grid, he knows he's going to understeer there and he also knows full well what trajectory checo is going to take until his car stops turning. checo leaves all the necessary space, to say he's pinching is trolling.

not going to reply further, sucks for ham, he was driving extremely well.

Couldn’t agree more. Nuff said

[omegacel71]

Whats the weather forecast for tomorrow's race ? Is it entirely dry ?

[wogx]

Can anyone extract Perez onboard to compare his line in that corner to other drivers?

[Wouter]

I was going to read the race thread for a while, but it's the same as yesterday. A few fanatical Lewis fans spewing their bile about
RBR/ Perez/ Max/ their fans.
Lewis never does anything wrong and RBR/ Perez/ Max/ their fans are crazy and always wrong/ always at fault.
I expected to read good news about the results, but you have to go elsewhere for that. So .......




PIASTRI !!

OSCAR: "To lead my first laps is a day I won't forget"

[jz11]

Can anyone extract Perez onboard to compare his line in that corner to other drivers?

other drivers that had Lewis understeering into them from the inside?
edit: and yes, this is a sarcastic, rhetorical question

[Mogster]

In any other racing series that’s a racing incident, but only in F1 will people endlessly whine about something that is a none story in any racing series where actual wheel to wheel racing takes place regularly.

The whining from everyone, on all sides, is nauseating. Are we racing or is this a time trial series?

Also, some really strange posts in here

Aye, no way that contact would have been penalised in any other series. It’s in the rain also.

[Hoffman900]

In any other racing series that’s a racing incident, but only in F1 will people endlessly whine about something that is a none story in any racing series where actual wheel to wheel racing takes place regularly.

The whining from everyone, on all sides, is nauseating. Are we racing or is this a time trial series?

Also, some really strange posts in here

Aye, no way that contact would have been penalised in any other series. It’s in the rain also.

Exactly and now everyone is going to waste a lot of time, words, and energy and endless whine about it.

F1 fans might be the whiniest and so desperate for ANY kind of drama.

[Wouter]

Max has been putting 1s/lap into the field in the wet in the past couple of years. Maybe the RB is ultra kind on its inters.

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That has nothing to do with the RB19 at all.
When Max used to go karting with his father, all the children went home when it started to rain.
Max and Jos stayed and Jos got into the middle of the wet track and Max had to go around him and learn to ride different lines,
over and over and over again. That way he quickly learned to drive in the rain thanks to Jos.

[Hoffman900]

Max has been putting 1s/lap into the field in the wet in the past couple of years. Maybe the RB is ultra kind on its inters.

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That has nothing to do with the RB19 at all.
When Max used to go karting with his father, all the children went home when it started to rain.
Max and Jos stayed and Jos got into the middle of the wet track and Max had to go around him and learn to ride different lines,
over and over and over again. That way he quickly learned to drive in the rain thanks to Jos.

Newsflash, all these guys were taught this way. Go to any serious karting test event for decades and people were doing this. Hell, Senna was doing it 40 years ago.

[omegacel71]

F1 drivers shouldn't really try overtaking in corners anyway.

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Perez drives a regular line in the corner compared to other drivers, as he's entitled to do. He leaves space on the inside

Perez onboard:

[napoleon1981]

Its a good rule that an inside car cant understeer into the one on the outside. When you are on the outside you cant do anything to avoid such incidents (assuming you drive the corner out wide). Its the job of the car on the inside to keep it clean when given reasonable space. Hamilton clearly decided to send it and stay into it. He is a master at this move.

[chrisc90]

Think the lesson to learn is that Perez left space on the inside/entry to the corner. Lewis was left room, he wasn’t squeezed off track.
Slightly compromised Lewis line he should have yielded and not tried to go through the corner too fast causing the understeer into Perez.
There is no requirement to take the racing line through any corner. If you leave space on the inside or outside it is perfectly fine. The car on the inside just can’t expect the one on the outside to be required to run right out to the edge of the track