2023 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, July 28 - 30

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organic wrote:
30 Jul 2023, 13:29
The floor edge wing was visibly damaged after the contact with Checo, so I'm surprised it's not listed. Oh well.
Perhaps it doesn't need to be listed - not everything is controlled in the same manner. Some items are listed in the regulations, other stuff isn't. If it's not a controlled part then they won't need to get special dispensation to replace it.
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Floor is. Look at Checo. So then they repaired it.

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organic wrote:
30 Jul 2023, 13:24
Sieper wrote:
30 Jul 2023, 13:17
Ferrari car 14?, Mclaren 3 cars, car 23?

How does that work?
The twitter preview is ruining the format. There are 4 separate images that are cropped in the preview and look connected but are not:

https://i.imgur.com/XZkFudM.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/qWWpgyu.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/OShHDV2.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/vYCGQIU.jpeg
It's no wonder why they have to increase the budget cap for sprints...
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organic wrote:
30 Jul 2023, 13:35
chrisc90 wrote:
30 Jul 2023, 13:32
organic wrote:
30 Jul 2023, 13:29
The floor edge wing was visibly damaged after the contact with Checo, so I'm surprised it's not listed. Oh well.
Or no spares?
Merc don't tend to fit upgrades if they don't have 2 sets of spares..
Last year in Austria they put one of the cars back onto old parts after the qualifying crashes iirc.
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AR3-GP wrote:
30 Jul 2023, 13:47
organic wrote:
30 Jul 2023, 13:35
chrisc90 wrote:
30 Jul 2023, 13:32


Or no spares?
Merc don't tend to fit upgrades if they don't have 2 sets of spares..
Last year in Austria they put one of the cars back onto old parts after the qualifying crashes iirc.
Last year they were experimenting within the confines the budget cap as they tried to understand exactly what they'd done wrong.
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AR3-GP wrote:
30 Jul 2023, 13:47
organic wrote:
30 Jul 2023, 13:35
chrisc90 wrote:
30 Jul 2023, 13:32


Or no spares?
Merc don't tend to fit upgrades if they don't have 2 sets of spares..
Last year in Austria they put one of the cars back onto old parts after the qualifying crashes iirc.
Would count as a setup change surely?
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chrisc90 wrote:
30 Jul 2023, 13:50
AR3-GP wrote:
30 Jul 2023, 13:47
organic wrote:
30 Jul 2023, 13:35

Merc don't tend to fit upgrades if they don't have 2 sets of spares..
Last year in Austria they put one of the cars back onto old parts after the qualifying crashes iirc.
Would count as a setup change surely?
I believe if you can demonstrate you have no remaining components of the same specification (ie out of spares) then the FIA can grant permission to fit older specification components without a pitlane start

That might've been a sprint weekend specific rule because there are more competitive sessions and you could easily breeze through all your spares in a sprint weekend compared to a regular weekend where it's unlikely

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The "Floor assembly" is listed for Norris.
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Whether Lewis can hold the mclarens back is another point. Piastri had very good pace through the sprint. On par, if not a few tenths better than Lewis.
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chrisc90 wrote:
30 Jul 2023, 14:25
Whether Lewis can hold the mclarens back is another point. Piastri had very good pace through the sprint. On par, if not a few tenths better than Lewis.
It'll come down to the deg. We don't have any idea how the dry pace will play out

In the drier conditions of today, Lewis won't be as penalized as much as he was in the wet with the skinny RW

As for Lewis' pace in the sprint.. he was extremely fast before the damage. Was going to come to P2 imo



Dry start expected

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chrisc90 wrote:
30 Jul 2023, 14:25
Whether Lewis can hold the mclarens back is another point. Piastri had very good pace through the sprint. On par, if not a few tenths better than Lewis.
The Mclarens will struggle to overtake anyone today. Hamilton without DRS is 323. Mclaren with DRS is 327. We saw it in Saudi Arabia.
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organic wrote:
30 Jul 2023, 14:28
chrisc90 wrote:
30 Jul 2023, 14:25
Whether Lewis can hold the mclarens back is another point. Piastri had very good pace through the sprint. On par, if not a few tenths better than Lewis.
It'll come down to the deg. We don't have any idea how the dry pace will play out

In the drier conditions of today, Lewis won't be as penalized as much as he was in the wet with the skinny RW

As for Lewis' pace in the sprint.. he was extremely fast before the damage. Was going to come to P2 imo
He was only faster on lap 7 by 6 tenths and lap 9 by 30 thousandth.

Gifted Oscar had clear air behind max to a extent - the pace still wasn’t quite there for Lewis IMHO

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Hamitlon floor maybe was repaired and not replaced. Maybe it can be patched and buffed.

He is not likely to clash with Perez in the same corner. Perez will simply clash with Leclerc.

If he gets a good start he will be on leclerc gearbox in no time.
If he doesnt he will be fighting the mclarens.

As for Max, i think he can use any strategy he likes and any tyre. To some degree the same for Perez. On a long track like this, there is less traffic so a soft tyre start strategy works for Max as well. If he is expecting rain, a medium tyre is a good choice as the cars can run for long until the first sign of rain.
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Domenicali just said on Sky he thinks F1 in Belgium has a long term future I think.. sounds promising