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Everything is labeled correctly. Thermal loads are high. I think the team will bring an updated suspension there, which will make it easier to manage the tires, and if the updates improve both balance and handling, then it will be great.organic wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 18:48Zandvoort could be a challenge with the thermal degradation. Due to the banking the cars work the tyres extremely hard there, and there was extremely thermal deg last year despite pirelli bringing the hardest compounds. McLaren put energy through the tyres very quickly which helps in many situations but at zandvoort may punish. If it turns out okay with this factor, zandvoort should absolutely suit the car apart from a couple of slow corners.
In theory it's like you said but lets not forget about the human error,the extra 0.3s in the pits and by them everyone is in the pits,the team did it right.AR3-GP wrote: ↑29 Jul 2023, 19:13Mclaren have a pitstall near the end of the pitlane so they benefitted in being able to pit without being delayed by incoming cars. RB are at the beginning so they would have lost many more positions if they pitted. Just a quirk of the pit locations.Darth-Piekus wrote: ↑29 Jul 2023, 18:49The team did a fantastic job in outfoxing Red Bull and Oscar did a good job keeping Max for a good amount of laps
Lando did 26 laps on a soft. More than anyone else. And his pace did not fall apart. I think that while tyre degradation compared to Red Bull is weak, it is not a huge weakness.organic wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 18:48Zandvoort could be a challenge with the thermal degradation. Due to the banking the cars work the tyres extremely hard there, and there was extremely thermal deg last year despite pirelli bringing the hardest compounds. McLaren put energy through the tyres very quickly which helps in many situations but at zandvoort may punish. If it turns out okay with this factor, zandvoort should absolutely suit the car apart from a couple of slow corners.
Track temps were cool and the straights are long hence it was more about keeping the tyres up to temperature here, just as Canada, rather than thermal degradation being an issueFittingMechanics wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 19:19Lando did 26 laps on a soft. More than anyone else. And his pace did not fall apart. I think that while tyre degradation compared to Red Bull is weak, it is not a huge weakness.organic wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 18:48Zandvoort could be a challenge with the thermal degradation. Due to the banking the cars work the tyres extremely hard there, and there was extremely thermal deg last year despite pirelli bringing the hardest compounds. McLaren put energy through the tyres very quickly which helps in many situations but at zandvoort may punish. If it turns out okay with this factor, zandvoort should absolutely suit the car apart from a couple of slow corners.
Absolutely. Mclaren, like RB, are the best in the pitstop business. I wasn't taking that away from them. I was more or less just taking it for granted that both teams would do a normal stop, such is the standard...MTudor wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 19:12AR3-GP wrote: ↑29 Jul 2023, 19:13Mclaren have a pitstall near the end of the pitlane so they benefitted in being able to pit without being delayed by incoming cars. RB are at the beginning so they would have lost many more positions if they pitted. Just a quirk of the pit locations.Darth-Piekus wrote: ↑29 Jul 2023, 18:49The team did a fantastic job in outfoxing Red Bull and Oscar did a good job keeping Max for a good amount of laps
In theory it's like you said but lets not forget about the human error,the extra 0.3s in the pits and by them everyone is in the pits,the team did it right.
Definitely a racing incident. Always risky going inside at turn 1 of lap 1 at Spa. Sainz was boxed in to an extent, nothing he could have done to prevent it.FittingMechanics wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 22:20I don't think we can really complain about Sainz - I mean it's not ideal but going 3 wide on the inside in T1 in Spa is never a good idea. Racing incident in my opinion. A shame Piastri got so much damage.
FittingMechanics wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 19:19Lando did 26 laps on a soft. More than anyone else. And his pace did not fall apart. I think that while tyre degradation compared to Red Bull is weak, it is not a huge weakness.organic wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 18:48Zandvoort could be a challenge with the thermal degradation. Due to the banking the cars work the tyres extremely hard there, and there was extremely thermal deg last year despite pirelli bringing the hardest compounds. McLaren put energy through the tyres very quickly which helps in many situations but at zandvoort may punish. If it turns out okay with this factor, zandvoort should absolutely suit the car apart from a couple of slow corners.
I think they gambled on rain.MTudor wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 21:48Reading now the comments from the sunday's race and all I can say is:"O ye of little faith"
Guys do you think there are stupid people at Mclaren who didn't run all the simulation posible prior to this weekend and put the high downforce package just because they flip a coin?!
Someone said that some of you are "keyboard warriors" and I tend to agree with that.
We have a say here in Romania,"Everybody is an expert at football and politics",well,ad F1 to that
Yep, that sounds like the quandary they were in: produce a whole package for 2 races, and lose out in 1 (Spa), or produce a half-and-half package that would've sort of worked in all races, but (a) not maximised points, and (b) not allowed them to fully test the step change the upgrade provided.
But Lando maintaining P7 was pretty awesome! Some issues with the car (hards and steering, the commentators mentioned), and then stretching out those softs at the end. When I saw them put on the softs with 26 laps to go you could see the paths strategy might take, and I really thought at that point it was a massive roll of the dice to stretch them out, but they made it work.