2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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bigjj wrote:
05 Aug 2023, 18:07
He had been tweaking the setup during that race, and in the final stretch of the race it was clear those adjustments looked to be working. After the race he said that maybe Perez had a more correct understanding of the tires for the season and that he learned a lot
What setup? They can't even change engine modes nowadays, since the FIA stomped down on qualifying party modes.
He certainly can't change suspension setup or wing angles on the car, which are the most relevant parts to tire behavior.

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mzso wrote:
06 Aug 2023, 14:03
bigjj wrote:
05 Aug 2023, 18:07
He had been tweaking the setup during that race, and in the final stretch of the race it was clear those adjustments looked to be working. After the race he said that maybe Perez had a more correct understanding of the tires for the season and that he learned a lot
What setup? They can't even change engine modes nowadays, since the FIA stomped down on qualifying party modes.
He certainly can't change suspension setup or wing angles on the car, which are the most relevant parts to tire behavior.
Brake balance,harvesting, and differential locking on corner entry, mid, and exit.
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mzso
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Well, they constantly change brake balance all the time to their flavor. Not sure how the rest can count for much compared to suspension setup and down-force.

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mzso wrote:
06 Aug 2023, 14:29
Well, they constantly change brake balance all the time to their flavor. Not sure how the rest can count for much compared to suspension setup and down-force.
Differential locking: viewtopic.php?t=29127
Brake bias: viewtopic.php?t=8807
Harvesting determines the off-throttle engine braking behavior at the rear axle. This can induce turn-in rotation.
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It’s not only that. Not only the real tools. But also how to put heat in the tires, how to get it out, how to stress the fronts more, how the rears. The WAY you can best drive it.

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🗣️ | Red Bull technical director Pierre Waché: There is no magic in RB19 DRS

“Our strength is purely aerodynamic”

“Its effectiveness simply goes back to the concept of our car. When our wing is closed, we don't have too much aerodynamic drag, and when the pilot opens it, he finds himself with a lot of extra speed”
From redbulletin twitter.
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mzso wrote:
06 Aug 2023, 14:03
bigjj wrote:
05 Aug 2023, 18:07
He had been tweaking the setup during that race, and in the final stretch of the race it was clear those adjustments looked to be working. After the race he said that maybe Perez had a more correct understanding of the tires for the season and that he learned a lot
What setup? They can't even change engine modes nowadays, since the FIA stomped down on qualifying party modes.
He certainly can't change suspension setup or wing angles on the car, which are the most relevant parts to tire behavior.
Thought the "strat" selection included engine power modes.

From before when they turned up the output to "party" as LH often described, essentially that is just a "normal" operation now, with all other settings being a in reality a restriction FROM this absolute maximum setting.

In FP 1 they mostly appear to run low power, less stressed outputs, perhaps even softening gearbox to promote extended lifing too.

They may fall within the rules post party, but adjustable they are in my understanding.

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AR3-GP wrote:
06 Aug 2023, 14:09
mzso wrote:
06 Aug 2023, 14:03
bigjj wrote:
05 Aug 2023, 18:07
He had been tweaking the setup during that race, and in the final stretch of the race it was clear those adjustments looked to be working. After the race he said that maybe Perez had a more correct understanding of the tires for the season and that he learned a lot
What setup? They can't even change engine modes nowadays, since the FIA stomped down on qualifying party modes.
He certainly can't change suspension setup or wing angles on the car, which are the most relevant parts to tire behavior.
Brake balance,harvesting, and differential locking on corner entry, mid, and exit.
This, even LH commented I believe in 2021 when trying to get Perez, just how fast he was in those short corners around the tight street part of the track. He seems well on top of it through there even this year, perhaps some suggested settings over radio to move it in that direction to play with in race.

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AR3-GP wrote:
06 Aug 2023, 20:35
🗣️ | Red Bull technical director Pierre Waché: There is no magic in RB19 DRS

“Our strength is purely aerodynamic”

“Its effectiveness simply goes back to the concept of our car. When our wing is closed, we don't have too much aerodynamic drag, and when the pilot opens it, he finds himself with a lot of extra speed”
From redbulletin twitter.
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The whole "interview":
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The technical director of Red Bull Pierre Wache interviewed by the French sports newspaper The Team expressed his point of view on the ‘magic’ DRS of the RB19: “There is no magic in our DRS – her words – it doesn’t even open any more than the other teams. Its effectiveness can simply be traced back to the concept of our car. When our wing is closed, we don’t have too much drag, and when the pilot opens it, he gets a lot more speed. Our strength is purely aerodynamic”.

The DRS in 2022 had given Red Bull several headaches, especially in Spain when the mobile wing ‘abandoned’ Max Verstappen at the most beautiful in Q3, also encountering huge defects in the Race. “Our problems last year were mechanical, specifically with the arm that controls the aperture – added Waché – on the RB19 a bigger DRS would not make sense because it would increase aerodynamic drag. Optimization must be done through the undercarriage, which must not resist when DRS is open”.
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Wouter wrote:
06 Aug 2023, 21:38
AR3-GP wrote:
06 Aug 2023, 20:35
🗣️ | Red Bull technical director Pierre Waché: There is no magic in RB19 DRS

“Our strength is purely aerodynamic”

“Its effectiveness simply goes back to the concept of our car. When our wing is closed, we don't have too much aerodynamic drag, and when the pilot opens it, he finds himself with a lot of extra speed”
From redbulletin twitter.
.
The whole "interview":
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The technical director of Red Bull Pierre Wache interviewed by the French sports newspaper The Team expressed his point of view on the ‘magic’ DRS of the RB19: “There is no magic in our DRS – her words – it doesn’t even open any more than the other teams. Its effectiveness can simply be traced back to the concept of our car. When our wing is closed, we don’t have too much drag, and when the pilot opens it, he gets a lot more speed. Our strength is purely aerodynamic”.

The DRS in 2022 had given Red Bull several headaches, especially in Spain when the mobile wing ‘abandoned’ Max Verstappen at the most beautiful in Q3, also encountering huge defects in the Race. “Our problems last year were mechanical, specifically with the arm that controls the aperture – added Waché – on the RB19 a bigger DRS would not make sense because it would increase aerodynamic drag. Optimization must be done through the undercarriage, which must not resist when DRS is open”.
The magic drs was always a silly distraction to prevent people from looking into engines because they may not like what they see.they are dedicated videos on youtube about redbull "triple" drs ,the whole thing is just absurd u allowed only one drs.

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Helmut Marko about his live, Mateschitz and Max. You can choose your own language.

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Juzh wrote:
05 Aug 2023, 13:21
In terms of eau rouge/raidilion lifts in order to reduce plank wear I'd say B-sport's channel theory holds water.
Sprint race offers a another good insight. After overtaking Piastri Verstappen is just cruising around, gaining a second per lap, but even so GP still comes on radio and and out of nowhere issues the infamous "use your head" instruction. There's only like 5 or 6 laps remaining and there' just no way they can possibly lose the race in normal circumstances, but still GP felt like he needed point it out. After that Verstappen starts doing even bigger lifts already on entry into the eau rouge/raidilion sequence and no scrapping can be heard (down 20 kmh compared to "normal" laps). Piastri behind him is flatout and gaining 3 tenths as a result.
They are protecting the transmission and engine from bouncing.

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EvilPhil II wrote:
08 Aug 2023, 01:00
Juzh wrote:
05 Aug 2023, 13:21
In terms of eau rouge/raidilion lifts in order to reduce plank wear I'd say B-sport's channel theory holds water.
Sprint race offers a another good insight. After overtaking Piastri Verstappen is just cruising around, gaining a second per lap, but even so GP still comes on radio and and out of nowhere issues the infamous "use your head" instruction. There's only like 5 or 6 laps remaining and there' just no way they can possibly lose the race in normal circumstances, but still GP felt like he needed point it out. After that Verstappen starts doing even bigger lifts already on entry into the eau rouge/raidilion sequence and no scrapping can be heard (down 20 kmh compared to "normal" laps). Piastri behind him is flatout and gaining 3 tenths as a result.
They are protecting the transmission and engine from bouncing.
Unlikely

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AMuS reporting that F1 is investigating removing DRS usage in qualifying. Maybe first signs of a RB nerf for next season



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Start the RB at the back of the grid on race day and it’ll still win.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.