2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Xyz22 wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 14:43
So Leclerc said that the biggest issue with the car is how unpredictable it is in track where a high dwf configuration is required.
Moreover he said that in order to reduce the unpredictability of the car he has opted for a balance with more understeer, which of course doesn't enjoy too much.


This car cannot afford his overdrive style,while sai may enjoy this style,as he have done in other team.
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Z-one wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 14:48
Xyz22 wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 14:43
So Leclerc said that the biggest issue with the car is how unpredictable it is in track where a high dwf configuration is required.
Moreover he said that in order to reduce the unpredictability of the car he has opted for a balance with more understeer, which of course doesn't enjoy too much.


This car cannot afford his overdrive style,while sai may enjoy this style,as he have done in other team.
I think he realized this in Miami where he finished way behind Sainz in the race. After the race he said that the car balance was all over the place and even changing mid-corner. At the beginning he probably tried to avoid getting more understeer, but that made the car too unpredictable.

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I wonder if the supposed new rear suspension that was rumoured to arrive earlier in the year will instead arrive next year.

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Z-one wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 14:48

This car cannot afford his overdrive style,while sai may enjoy this style,as he have done in other team.
Neither enjoys how this car drives. One may be able to deal with its conditions more easily, but its clear they don't like it.

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Xyz22 wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 14:43
So Leclerc said that the biggest issue with the car is how unpredictable it is in tracks where a high dwf configuration is required.
Moreover he said that in order to reduce the unpredictability of the car he has opted for a balance with more understeer, which of course doesn't enjoy too much.


this has been a problem in ferrari since 2019.

its not oversteer or understeer is a problem of stability and a proper behavior of the car.
the car has unstable aero and its impossible to preddict sometimes.
this is a problem for both drivers.

ferrari have to solve this and make a car that is driveable

if ferrari solve this, BOTH drivers will upgrade a lot the performance.

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JPower wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 15:30
Z-one wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 14:48

This car cannot afford his overdrive style,while sai may enjoy this style,as he have done in other team.
Neither enjoys how this car drives. One may be able to deal with its conditions more easily, but its clear they don't like it.
yes,I agree with it. two drivers have different preferences for dealing with these conditions, which make difference. sai tends to slow down rather than squeeze the potential out of the car,while lec does the opposite.
performance in long curve may be the roots at all of this. I n long curve,what can we observe is that Vehicle stance is not stable,like RH(review miami),like huge difference between tyres load on two
side(snap in high downforce circuit). what can I learn is that this problem is too complex to solve out.
how to trade off RH(anti-dive)and front?it is a question,but,I do not believe ferrari chassis、suspension and tyre team,these factors are really ferrari‘s weakness
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Alonsismo wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 16:04

this has been a problem in ferrari since 2019.

its not oversteer or understeer is a problem of stability and a proper behavior of the car.
the car has unstable aero and its impossible to preddict sometimes.
this is a problem for both drivers.

ferrari have to solve this and make a car that is driveable

if ferrari solve this, BOTH drivers will upgrade a lot the performance.
I think more importantly than both improving performance, they will both be less error prone.

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Xyz22 wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 00:33
He had 2 racing incident, in Australia and in Zandvoort. A lot of bad luck because they were really small touches with really bad consequences (DNFs).
And how is either of them his fault?
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Good signs from FP1. I think Max is still a few tenths quicker but that's to be expected.

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New ICE, TC, MGU-H, MGU-K, and exhausts for both Charles and Carlos. They're going for it

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KimiRai wrote:
01 Sep 2023, 14:59
New ICE, TC, MGU-H, MGU-K, and exhausts for both Charles and Carlos. They're going for it
They used the tokens to update the software. More HP with this new engine

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Leclerc top speeds in FP2 were in another category. They can definetly fight for pole, I change my vote.

Edit: It's Leclerc with frightening top speed.
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AR3-GP wrote:
01 Sep 2023, 18:14
Sainz's top speeds in FP2 were in another category. They can definetly fight for pole, I change my vote.
Were Leclerc & Sainz on different engine modes ?

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jambuka wrote:
01 Sep 2023, 18:25
AR3-GP wrote:
01 Sep 2023, 18:14
Sainz's top speeds in FP2 were in another category. They can definetly fight for pole, I change my vote.
Were Leclerc & Sainz on different engine modes ?
Different beam wing I believe.

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jambuka wrote:
01 Sep 2023, 18:25
AR3-GP wrote:
01 Sep 2023, 18:14
Sainz's top speeds in FP2 were in another category. They can definetly fight for pole, I change my vote.
Were Leclerc & Sainz on different engine modes ?
Sorry I had this backwards. It's Leclerc whose top speeds are insane.
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