2023 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 01 - 03

[dialtone]

Conveniently ignoring the various ridiculous circumstances that caused the car not to win more than 5 consecutively...

Are there no such things for the RB19 so far? Isn't that a comment that can be made for any dominant car and not winning all races of the season?

True! But generally you lose races on pace. W11 only had one race it lost on pace and it required RB to play a worldy with strategy at Silverstone with max also driving a perfect race. We haven't seen RB lose on pace yet, but it's only just over halfway through the season

Do you think there's any chance that even that will defeat the RB19? These guys are finishing races with brand new tires after 30 laps on intermediates man.

Literally only hope for the rest is either mechanical fault in their gearbox or a crash. There's no other possibility that I can see to defeat them. They simply don't need to take any risks and even the most conservative strategy will lead to victory because they can be 1+s/lap faster than anyone else when it matters.

EDIT: anyway it's a bit OT here so I'll rest my case, not that it matters that much in the end anyway.

[Artur Craft]

Monza grandstands:

[renault rs26]

but we need more full wets even though we haven't had any racing on full wets in quite some time.

Do you think last week at Zandvoort before the red flag, when it was pouring rain to the level of full wets, had the Alfa not crashed would have they red flagged the race? I'm not sure.

From what we have seen of the capability of the full wet tire, drivers would have fallen off the circuit and if it wasn't for the Alfa crash, it would have been for someone else's crash. The drivers have said the full wet tire is horrible.

I believe they mean horrible in lap times compared to inters not like they're undriveable.

[chrisc90]

Any race pace charts?

[search]

Any race pace charts?

apart from Hamilton, no one really got in more than a handful of high fuel laps in FP2

[Cs98]

Any race pace charts?

apart from Hamilton, no one really got in more than a handful of high fuel laps in FP2

https://i.imgur.com/GcJwQUL.png

Merc's pace really disappeared in FP2. They must've been on relatively lower fuel in FP1 on the long run.

[search]

Any race pace charts?

apart from Hamilton, no one really got in more than a handful of high fuel laps in FP2

https://i.imgur.com/GcJwQUL.png

Merc's pace really disappeared in FP2. They must've been on relatively lower fuel in FP1 on the long run.

probably, yeah. I don't know how long exactly it currently takes to fully fuel the car, but their stops in FP1 were also a bit shorter than everybody else's.

[AR3-GP]

Any race pace charts?

apart from Hamilton, no one really got in more than a handful of high fuel laps in FP2

https://i.imgur.com/GcJwQUL.png

Yes I think Perez cut things short.

[tomazy]

Any race pace charts?

apart from Hamilton, no one really got in more than a handful of high fuel laps in FP2

https://i.imgur.com/GcJwQUL.png

I wouldnt trust this chart, I don't know for others, but I realy don't know where Albons time of 1:26.053 (3 laps) comes from. Acording to the FIA timings he did the folowing laps in FP2 (including red flag)

13 1:25.717
14 7:25.963
15 1:25.730
16 1:25.965

That would give him a 3 lap average of 1:25,804

[search]

Any race pace charts?

apart from Hamilton, no one really got in more than a handful of high fuel laps in FP2

https://i.imgur.com/GcJwQUL.png

Yes I think Perez cut things short.

yeah, and Hamilton didn't do the quali sim on Softs, to save the set for tomorrow.

here's also the tyre list, btw. The used mediums are all old (>10 laps), the softs all between 3 and 7 laps.



Two more sets need to be returned after FP3.

[search]

I wouldnt trust this chart, I don't know for others, but I realy don't know where Albons time of 1:26.053 (3 laps) comes from. Acording to the FIA timings he did the folowing laps in FP2 (including red flag)

13 1:25.717
14 7:25.963
15 1:25.730
16 1:25.965

That would give him a 3 lap average of 1:25,804

I "erase" the fuel effect, to be able to compare different runs. That's why the times are a bit different

[AR3-GP]

Mercedes is too slow on the straights. Especially compared to Ferrari.

[Sieper]

Mercedes is too slow on the straights. Especially compared to Ferrari.

I think Lewis had more wing than George, there is still some time in it for him.

[AR3-GP]

Mercedes is too slow on the straights. Especially compared to Ferrari.

I think Lewis had more wing than George, there is still some time in it for him.

Yes Hamilton has a big deficit due to the wing, but George doesn't look amazing either.

[Hammerfist]

Conveniently ignoring the various ridiculous circumstances that caused the car not to win more than 5 consecutively...

Are there no such things for the RB19 so far? Isn't that a comment that can be made for any dominant car and not winning all races of the season?

True! But generally you lose races on pace. W11 only had one race it lost on pace and it required RB to play a worldy with strategy at Silverstone with max also driving a perfect race, not to mention Merc used the wrong downforce level. We haven't seen RB lose on pace yet, but it's only just over halfway through the season

They should not have won Turkey and rbr also beat them fair and square in the last race of the season.