2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[AR3-GP]

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Consistently faster in both stints

Leclerc had DRS and slipstream for most of the race though.

I remember in Austria when Sainz was behind and asking for team orders ahead, some of you smacked it down and said he wasn't quicker, he just had DRS and a tow. Have the tables not turned today?

It was clear Sainz destroyed his tires by the end, being the lead car without the benefit of DRS every lap.


Sainz's driving was wild today...but Ferrari in Monza...well...I guess that's why he did it...

[JPower]

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Consistently faster in both stints

Leclerc had DRS and slipstream for most of the race.

I remember in Austria when Sainz was behind and asking for team orders ahead, some of you smacked it down and said he wasn't quicker, he just had DRS and a tow.

It was clear Sainz destroyed his tires by the end, being the lead car without the benefit of DRS every lap.


Sainz's driving was wild today...but Ferrari in Monza...well...I guess that's why he did it...

Correct.

As if it was impossible that Sainz could’ve been quicker at that moment.

It is what it is.

Make sure you’re ahead and the problems go away.

[Xyz22]

https://ibb.co/T2zKMMs

Consistently faster in both stints

Leclerc had DRS and slipstream for most of the race though.

I remember in Austria when Sainz was behind and asking for team orders ahead, some of you smacked it down and said he wasn't quicker, he just had DRS and a tow. Have the tables not turned today?

It was clear Sainz destroyed his tires by the end, being the lead car without the benefit of DRS every lap.


Sainz's driving was wild today...but Ferrari in Monza...well...I guess that's why he did it...

Sainz cooked his rear tyres in the first stint because he defended hard on Max. But in the second stint he didn't manage them well either. Leclerc pushed too much early to defend from Perez and the rear tyres overheated (he lost a lot of pace) but he got them "back" and was way quicker at the end.

Also the impact of DRS in Monza is much lower than Austria due to track layout and the overall setup used by the drivers (with extremely skinny rear wings the drag reduction impact is lower). The comparison is almost completely useless. Having said that Sainz was probably slightly quicker than Leclerc in the first stint in Austria. In the second stint they were equal and in the third one (even before Perez arrived) Leclerc was faster.

Till Leclerc will have to drive this car with an understeery balance (he had to copy Sainz setup) they will be quite close.

[AR3-GP]

https://ibb.co/T2zKMMs

Consistently faster in both stints

Leclerc had DRS and slipstream for most of the race though.

I remember in Austria when Sainz was behind and asking for team orders ahead, some of you smacked it down and said he wasn't quicker, he just had DRS and a tow. Have the tables not turned today?

It was clear Sainz destroyed his tires by the end, being the lead car without the benefit of DRS every lap.


Sainz's driving was wild today...but Ferrari in Monza...well...I guess that's why he did it...

Sainz cooked his rear tyres in the first stint because he defended hard on Max. But in the second stint he didn't manage them well either. Leclerc pushed too much early and the rear tyres overheated but he got them back and was way quicker at the end.

Also the impact of DRS in Monza is much lower than Austria due to track layout and the overall setup used by the drivers (with extremely skinny rear wings the drag reduction impact is lower). The comparison is almost completely useless. Having said that Sainz was probably slightly quicker than Leclerc in the first stint in Austria. In the second stint they were equal and in the third one (even before Perez arrived) Leclerc was faster.

I do think DRS is worth more in Austria (probably around 1.2 seconds a lap). But it's still worth something like 8 tenths in Monza. Not negligible. I took that from comparisons on F1-tempo of DRS on and off time deltas for Leclerc in race data.

When you have 8 tenths in the bag from an open wing, you don't have to push in the corners so much. It did help him save his tires compared with Sainz. He didn't have to push so hard in the Parabolica as he'd gain half a second and then some back with the DRS and slip stream on the main straight. This is more than what he was losing by following in dirty air. As I said, Leclerc had this DRS on nearly every lap. It was a PITA trying to find the lap where he didn't have it on f1tempo.

[KimiRai]

If Sainz is behind, maintain position. If Sainz is ahead, let them race. Always this year

[Vanja #66]

Penalties were given for less...

Leclerc had DRS and slipstream for most of the race though.

I remember in Austria when Sainz was behind and asking for team orders ahead, some of you smacked it down and said he wasn't quicker, he just had DRS and a tow. Have the tables not turned today?

On a low downforce track, being behind in every corner and losing the little downforce you have for 30+ laps shoots the tyres clean. Leclerc saved them briliantlly. Ferrari also gained almost nothing with DRS open on top speed, so it was hardly any assistance.

On top of that, Sainz has lost pace the very moment he lost DRS in Austria and several other races this year. After he lost P2 today, Leclerc's laps also dropped - he was slowed down by Sainz massively. On the other hand, Leclerc dropped out of DRS and got back more than a few times today, demonstrating it wasn't benefitial.

[catent]

Yeah, any argument that Leclerc benefitted from DRS (which is minimized at a low drag, low downforce track like Monza, anyway) is entirely offset by the fact Sainz had clean air.

If DRS helped Leclerc manage his tires and minimize lap time, the clean air Sainz was driving in should have allowed him to better manage his tires and minimize his lap time.

Six of one, half-a-dozen of the other. On the balance, Leclerc appeared to be the quicker overall of the two. That said, Sainz drove with tremendous racecraft and had a phenomenal race.

Bravo to the both of them.

[Xyz22]

Leclerc had DRS and slipstream for most of the race though.

I remember in Austria when Sainz was behind and asking for team orders ahead, some of you smacked it down and said he wasn't quicker, he just had DRS and a tow. Have the tables not turned today?

It was clear Sainz destroyed his tires by the end, being the lead car without the benefit of DRS every lap.


Sainz's driving was wild today...but Ferrari in Monza...well...I guess that's why he did it...

Sainz cooked his rear tyres in the first stint because he defended hard on Max. But in the second stint he didn't manage them well either. Leclerc pushed too much early and the rear tyres overheated but he got them back and was way quicker at the end.

Also the impact of DRS in Monza is much lower than Austria due to track layout and the overall setup used by the drivers (with extremely skinny rear wings the drag reduction impact is lower). The comparison is almost completely useless. Having said that Sainz was probably slightly quicker than Leclerc in the first stint in Austria. In the second stint they were equal and in the third one (even before Perez arrived) Leclerc was faster.

I do think DRS is worth more in Austria (probably around 1.2 seconds a lap). But it's still worth something like 8 tenths in Monza. Not negligible. I took that from comparisons on F1-tempo of DRS on and off time deltas for Leclerc in race data.

When you have 8 tenths in the bag from an open wing, you don't have to push in the corners so much. It did help him save his tires compared with Sainz. He didn't have to push so hard in the Parabolica as he'd gain half a second and then some back with the DRS and slip stream on the main straight. This is more than what he was losing by following in dirty air. As I said, Leclerc had this DRS on nearly every lap. It was a PITA trying to find the lap where he didn't have it on f1tempo.

Then why it was so difficult for Max (and especially for Lec) to overtake Sainz? You also need to subtract the amount you lose in the corners while under 1s which is important in a track Monza (2 Lesmos and Parabolica are critical in dirty air) as you don't gain that much on the straights (in the start finishing straight Leclerc was gaining something like 0.3s). The difference compared to Austria is colossal, and this is also proved by the fact that Norris was able to keep up with Sainz in that race, while Sainz was completely smoked by both Max and Perez and Mercedes couldn't keep up as well with Ferrari.

Again the impact of DRS in Monza is way lower than Austria. The comparison is not useful in this case.

[TFSA]

Then why it was so difficult for Max (and especially for Lec) to overtake Sainz?

Because Red Bull was running a higher DF setup than Ferrari, and as such, their pace on the straights suffered due to drag, making overtaking more difficult. All data we've seen for that entire weekend supports that the Ferrari was quicker on the straights.

As for Lec: aggressive defending.

[AR3-GP]

Sainz cooked his rear tyres in the first stint because he defended hard on Max. But in the second stint he didn't manage them well either. Leclerc pushed too much early and the rear tyres overheated but he got them back and was way quicker at the end.

Also the impact of DRS in Monza is much lower than Austria due to track layout and the overall setup used by the drivers (with extremely skinny rear wings the drag reduction impact is lower). The comparison is almost completely useless. Having said that Sainz was probably slightly quicker than Leclerc in the first stint in Austria. In the second stint they were equal and in the third one (even before Perez arrived) Leclerc was faster.

I do think DRS is worth more in Austria (probably around 1.2 seconds a lap). But it's still worth something like 8 tenths in Monza. Not negligible. I took that from comparisons on F1-tempo of DRS on and off time deltas for Leclerc in race data.

When you have 8 tenths in the bag from an open wing, you don't have to push in the corners so much. It did help him save his tires compared with Sainz. He didn't have to push so hard in the Parabolica as he'd gain half a second and then some back with the DRS and slip stream on the main straight. This is more than what he was losing by following in dirty air. As I said, Leclerc had this DRS on nearly every lap. It was a PITA trying to find the lap where he didn't have it on f1tempo.

Then why it was so difficult for Max (and especially for Lec) to overtake Sainz?

New engines and skinny wings for Ferrari. Also, Sainz was going over the top with his defense...He made it extremely hard for Verstapp, Leclerc, and Perez. He would position his car so that he could crowd them out of the chicane on the outside.

[hollus]

lec was saving tyres all race instead of fighting max or perez only to try to overtake sainz.

terrible teammate...

I want to point out, and I have done this in this thread before, that that line is excactly how Marca and As, the two main Spanish sports newspapers, are reporting on the race. I can only imagine Antonio Lobato doing the same in live spanish TV.
Can anyone pitch in with the take on French TV and French newspapers.
Italian, German and British sources could also be nice for perspective, but I suspect a deafening silence there, which would be telling.

Before trying to play this game too hard:

Maybe I suggest remembering that the guy in that screen is doing the same, and that you might be the stick figure or you might be the guy in the screen?
The better man acknowledges that different perspectives exist, maybe feels enriched by hearing them, and then is free to dismiss them as wrong inside his head, and, if he is wise, does not spend the night trying to prove the other one wrong.

[Xyz22]

I do think DRS is worth more in Austria (probably around 1.2 seconds a lap). But it's still worth something like 8 tenths in Monza. Not negligible. I took that from comparisons on F1-tempo of DRS on and off time deltas for Leclerc in race data.

When you have 8 tenths in the bag from an open wing, you don't have to push in the corners so much. It did help him save his tires compared with Sainz. He didn't have to push so hard in the Parabolica as he'd gain half a second and then some back with the DRS and slip stream on the main straight. This is more than what he was losing by following in dirty air. As I said, Leclerc had this DRS on nearly every lap. It was a PITA trying to find the lap where he didn't have it on f1tempo.

Then why it was so difficult for Max (and especially for Lec) to overtake Sainz?

New engines and skinny wings for Ferrari. Also, Sainz was going over the top with his defense...He made it extremely hard for Verstapp, Leclerc, and Perez. He would position his car so that he could crowd them out of the chicane on the outside.

Leclerc had the same skinny rear wing and engine but in the straights he was gaining a small amount of time. Only when he exited the parabolica at around 0.2s was able to get alongside Carlos. What this does tell us? That the DRS didn't have a huge impact on race pace.



Carlos wasn't very clean either with Leclerc I wonder if Vanja saw this lmao

[scuderiabrandon]

Unserious team could've had a much better result with a bit more common sense. But the emotion of the driver was prioritized over a better result. I don't expect them to publicly come out and tell us they are clowns but hopefully in the debrief they realise their awful awful awful managing of this race. RB19 won't win us a championship with such an unserious pitwall.

Anyways, Singapore will either be really strong or incredibly dissapointing. With the new layout I can see us going one step lower with the dwf. I still don't think it will be ideal to go lower but we very clearly have balance issues on the higher dwf setup. So instead of Monaco spec we'll probably run the Barcelona spec rear wing.

I'm patiently awaiting the next upgrade pakcage not because it might bring more performance but it will show whether they have direction for '24. If that is not the case I'll be tuning out of for this season.

[Xyz22]

Unserious team could've had a much better result with a bit more common sense. But the emotion of the driver was prioritized over a better result. I don;t expect them to publicly come out and tell us they are clowns but hopoefully in the debrief they realise their awful awful awful managing of this race. RB19 won't win us a championship with such an unserious pitwall.

Anyways, Singapore will either be really strong or incredibly dissapointing. With the new layout I can see us going one step lower with the dwf. I still don't think it will be ideal to go lower but we very clearly have balance issues on the higher dwf setup. So instead of Monaco spec we'll probably run the Barcelona spec rear wing.

I'm patiently awaiting for the next upgrade pakcage not because it might bring more performance but it will show whether they have direction for '24. If that it not the case I'll be tuning out of for this season.

They can't change this car Brandon, so the rest of the season will be the same. Decent in some tracks and garbage in others.

[AR3-GP]

Then why it was so difficult for Max (and especially for Lec) to overtake Sainz?

New engines and skinny wings for Ferrari. Also, Sainz was going over the top with his defense...He made it extremely hard for Verstapp, Leclerc, and Perez. He would position his car so that he could crowd them out of the chicane on the outside.

But Leclerc had the same skinny rear wing and engine but in the straights he was gaining a small amount of time. Only when he exited the parabolica at around 0.2s was able to get alongside Carlos. What this does tell us? That the DRS didn't have a huge impact on race pace.



Carlos wasn't very clean either with Leclerc I wonder if Vanja saw this lmao

I don't know what else to say. The DRS was worth something like 8 tenths on the lap comparing Leclerc's own lap deltas. Sainz is also deploying a lot of energy to defend, already had 2-3km/h advantage in qualifying, and was moving all over the track which is part of why Leclerc and the bulls did not find an easy pass.

I don't know whether to admire his defense or be frustrated by it. I guess when you drive for Ferrari in Monza you commit the crime and ask for forgiveness after...