2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[chrisc90]

Then why it was so difficult for Max (and especially for Lec) to overtake Sainz?

Because Red Bull was running a higher DF setup than Ferrari, and as such, their pace on the straights suffered due to drag, making overtaking more difficult. All data we've seen for that entire weekend supports that the Ferrari was quicker on the straights.

As for Lec: aggressive defending.

This exactly.

We heard all the interviews from RB camp that it would be a hard overtake today - which it was. It was only Sainz little lockup into T1 that give max the advantage to overtake as early as he did.

Sainz defended like a pro today - very wide elbows. However he also took a LOT out of the tyres in doing so. Can you blame him in front of the Tifosi? Probably not. (He even said the tyres were dead about 5 laps from the end)
It was always a waiting game for Red Bull - and it showed with Checo, and Max to a degree with the lap time he gained once he passed Carlos.

Question. (See what I did there)

Does anyone have a pic of the tyres of the RB and Ferrari at the end of the race? Would make a very interesting comparison.

[Xyz22]

New engines and skinny wings for Ferrari. Also, Sainz was going over the top with his defense...He made it extremely hard for Verstapp, Leclerc, and Perez. He would position his car so that he could crowd them out of the chicane on the outside.

But Leclerc had the same skinny rear wing and engine but in the straights he was gaining a small amount of time. Only when he exited the parabolica at around 0.2s was able to get alongside Carlos. What this does tell us? That the DRS didn't have a huge impact on race pace.



Carlos wasn't very clean either with Leclerc I wonder if Vanja saw this lmao

I don't know what else to say. The DRS was worth something like 8 tenths on the lap comparing Leclerc's own lap deltas. Sainz is also deploying a lot of energy to defend, already had 2-3km/h advantage in qualifying, and was moving all over the track which is part of why Leclerc and the bulls did not find an easy pass.

I don't know whether to admire his defense or be frustrated by it. I guess when you drive for Ferrari in Monza you commit the crime and ask for forgiveness after...

I'm not saying that DRS didn't provide an advantage. I'm saying is not even remotely close to Austria, therefore that comparison is almost useless.

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Blake, a former RB performance engineer who does a lot of race analysis agrees with those who believe that P2 was on with better race management

[Xyz22]

Blake, a former RB performance engineer who does a lot of race analysis agrees with those who believe that P2 was on with better race management

Strange that he thinks Leclerc was faster.

[AR3-GP]

Blake, a former RB performance engineer who does a lot of race analysis agrees with those who believe that P2 was on with better race management

I don't think it would have made a lick of difference because Perez would have upped his pace in response. Sainz's car was quicker on the straights than Leclerc's too. Perez found it much harder to get Sainz than he did Leclerc.

As for overall race time management, yeah I agree they could have completed the race in a shorter elapsed time but it may not have impacted the final finishing positions. What would have was Leclerc careening into the back of Sainz on lap or Sainz smacking Leclerc's left front on lap 49/50...fortunately crisis was averted both times....

[scuderiabrandon]

Blake, a former RB performance engineer who does a lot of race analysis agrees with those who believe that P2 was on with better race management

Common sense prevails

[Vanja #66]

Blake, a former RB performance engineer who does a lot of race analysis agrees with those who believe that P2 was on with better race management

It was clear immediately. Ferrari wall underestimated the extent of the damage on Sainz' tyres and the pace Leclerc had at the moment. Or they settled even before the race for P3 and P4 and let them race to positions, I have no other explanation.

[AR3-GP]

Blake, a former RB performance engineer who does a lot of race analysis agrees with those who believe that P2 was on with better race management

It was clear immediately. Ferrari wall underestimated the extent of the damage on Sainz' tyres and the pace Leclerc had at the moment. Or they settled even before the race for P3 and P4 and let them race to positions, I have no other explanation.

They didn’t underestimate. Vasseur said before the race that there would be no orders.

[AR3-GP]

Also, Charles did have a pretty easy DRS pass on the main straight on lap 47, but then he locked up in T1 and then Carlos repassed him on the run to the 2nd chicane.

If Carlos wasn't making 3 moves in the brake zone every lap (lol, absolutely shameless), I really think Leclerc would have passed him.

[Xyz22]

Also, Charles did have a pretty easy DRS pass on the main straight on lap 47, but then he locked up in T1 and then Carlos repassed him on the run to the 2nd chicane.

If Carlos wasn't making 3 moves in the brake zone every lap (lol, absolutely shameless), I really think Leclerc would have passed him.

He passed in the second chicane with an illegal move but race control was on vacation yesterday.
Also another indication that Charles was faster is that he was able to follow Perez after the overtake while Sainz lost him immediately.

[Vanja #66]

It would have been better not to look at these laps, but I couldn't help myself... These are Leclerc's laps 19 and 20, the final lap behind Sainz in the first stint and his in lap in clear air. Even with 0.3s "lost" before Ascari chicane (because no DRS), he was a full 1s faster before turning to the pits. I stand corrected, he didn't lose 3-4s behind Sainz with shot tyres, he lost at least 5 seconds... With Max' troubles at the end, there would have been a chance to put pressure on him and maybe even win.



JFC Ferrari, JFC...

[Xyz22]

It would have been better not to look at these laps, but I couldn't help myself... These are Leclerc's laps 19 and 20, the final lap behind Sainz in the first stint and his in lap in clear air. Even with 0.3s "lost" before Ascari chicane (because no DRS), he was a full 1s faster before turning to the pits. I stand corrected, he didn't lose 3-4s behind Sainz with shot tyres, he lost at least 5 seconds... With Max' troubles at the end, there would have been a chance to put pressure on him and maybe even win.

https://i.ibb.co/s225LCK/lec-monza-2023.png

JFC Ferrari, JFC...

https://media.tenor.com/N_05ZzrHpPkAAAAC/bang-head.gif

If you wanna be even "angrier" check the inlap between Sainz and Leclerc Almost a 0.8s difference (and neither of them had DRS)

[Vanja #66]

If you wanna be even "angrier" check the inlap between Sainz and Leclerc Almost a 0.8s difference (and neither of them had DRS)

Yes, that's the lap 20 for Leclerc. The first lap after Out lap was also 0.4s better for Leclerc, even if he got out behind Sainz and got slowed down because of that...

[Xyz22]

If you wanna be even "angrier" check the inlap between Sainz and Leclerc Almost a 0.8s difference (and neither of them had DRS)

Yes, that's the lap 20 for Leclerc. The first lap after Out lap was also 0.4s better for Leclerc, even if he got out behind Sainz and got slowed down because of that...

Now i'm even more "pissed off". Leclerc was going for a lap time comparable to what RB drivers were doing. Perez inlap was 0.2s quicker for context.
If he didn't --- up the setup friday...

Also, the dirty air effect in the 2 Lesmo and Parabolica is insane, even more than i initially thought. Maybe due to the very aggressive low dwf setup they used?

BREAKING NEWS: according to Formu1a.uno the high dwf rear wing is not showing the "numbers" the engineers expected based on wind tunnel data. This is terrible.

[Vanja #66]

Now i'm even more "pissed off". Leclerc was going for a lap time comparable to what RB drivers were doing. Perez inlap was 0.2s quicker for context.
If he didn't --- up the setup friday...

Nothing to do with Friday, at least for Leclerc. He's not comfortable with the car when it's on the edge in extreme downforce conditions. He set his car up better for the race, but Sainz had the position. In the event of damaging the car, it only makes sense for the driver with damage to step aside - like Leclerc did in Zandvoort. Last time I checked, tyres are also part of the car but Sainz didn't want to move - which is ok, since tyres were about to be changed in any case.

It was clear as day both were losing a lot of time all of a sudden and the team simply had to respond. And again, what they decided on Friday affected their race on Sunday - just like Silverstone. It's very disappointing they missed their chance to position themselves to keep fighting for the win.