2023 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

[Ben1980]

I'm reality, it made little to no difference anyway. The cars remained next to each other, just a different way round.

[Seerix]

I'm reality, it made little to no difference anyway. The cars remained next to each other, just a different way round.

If it's little to no difference, then there is no reason to invent such strategy.
It made difference to Piastri. He was the one who ended up crashing with HAM and out of points.

[mwillems]

I'm reality, it made little to no difference anyway. The cars remained next to each other, just a different way round.

I
How is not being ahead of Albon little difference? Oscar could have had 8 points instead of Landos 4. And Lando get 1 or 2 points still. A net loss of maybe 6 points.

[djos]

I'm reality, it made little to no difference anyway. The cars remained next to each other, just a different way round.

I
How is not being ahead of Albon little difference? Oscar could have had 8 points instead of Landos 4. And Lando get 1 or 2 points still. A net loss of maybe 6 points.

Some folks here seem to struggle with math.

[mwillems]

I'm reality, it made little to no difference anyway. The cars remained next to each other, just a different way round.

I
How is not being ahead of Albon little difference? Oscar could have had 8 points instead of Landos 4. And Lando get 1 or 2 points still. A net loss of maybe 6 points.

Some folks here seem to struggle with math.

Cool your jets Djos! We know you're a patriotic Aussie!

[Ben1980]

I'm reality, it made little to no difference anyway. The cars remained next to each other, just a different way round.

I
How is not being ahead of Albon little difference? Oscar could have had 8 points instead of Landos 4. And Lando get 1 or 2 points still. A net loss of maybe 6 points.

Pitting Lando 1 lap earlier had no impact on getting ahead of Albon. Piastri pitting first would have also had no impact either.

[djos]

I
How is not being ahead of Albon little difference? Oscar could have had 8 points instead of Landos 4. And Lando get 1 or 2 points still. A net loss of maybe 6 points.

Some folks here seem to struggle with math.

Cool your jets Djos! We know you're a patriotic Aussie!

Guilty as charged.

[mwillems]

I'm reality, it made little to no difference anyway. The cars remained next to each other, just a different way round.

I
How is not being ahead of Albon little difference? Oscar could have had 8 points instead of Landos 4. And Lando get 1 or 2 points still. A net loss of maybe 6 points.

Pitting Lando 1 lap earlier had no impact on getting ahead of Albon. Piastri pitting first would have also had no impact either.

For 3 laps after Albon pitted the grap grew to Mclaren, after that it dropped off a cliff and he rapidly closed on us. it is apparent from the strategy that we could have pitted Piastri first and perhaps 1 lap earlier than Norris, 2 laps earlier and it is almost certain to be ahead of Albon. Instead of looking at Piastris race they looked at Norris's ass.

[Ben1980]

I'm reality, it made little to no difference anyway. The cars remained next to each other, just a different way round.

If it's little to no difference, then there is no reason to invent such strategy.
It made difference to Piastri. He was the one who ended up crashing with HAM and out of points.

Hindsight is a wonderful and thing.

[mwillems]

It's strategy, not hindsight, and it is wonderful, especially when done right.

[mclaren111]

McLaren really need to stop shafting Oscar. It’s becoming a pattern! He’s consistently getting the upgrades later than Lando, and even worse, getting shafted on pit strategy when he is the leading car on track.

If they keep this up, they might lose Oscar to another team.

He's the Rookie... That's how it works... Next year - different story...

[MTudor]

McLaren really need to stop shafting Oscar. It’s becoming a pattern! He’s consistently getting the upgrades later than Lando, and even worse, getting shafted on pit strategy when he is the leading car on track.

If they keep this up, they might lose Oscar to another team.

Nobody is shafting Oscar,he is behind Lando in the Championship and the pilot who is first gets first the upgrades.

[djos]

I'm reality, it made little to no difference anyway. The cars remained next to each other, just a different way round.

If it's little to no difference, then there is no reason to invent such strategy.
It made difference to Piastri. He was the one who ended up crashing with HAM and out of points.

Hindsight is a wonderful and thing.

It’s called the undercut, it’s quite predictable!

[mclaren111]

The team does what they think is best for the team. As Stella said, if drivers don't like it, then they aren't thinking about the team. Which would indicate that if they aren't thinking about the team they shouldn't be on the team.

But, I think Oscar knows his position as the rookie, behind his teammate in points and qualifying. He doesn't seem like one to rock the apple cart, at this stage of his career at least.

If anyone thinks they have some anti Oscar agenda in the team, give your head a wobble.

I’m not saying they are biased against Oscar, they are biased towards Lando. Quite different!

The golden rule of F1 teams has always been to pit the driver in the best on track position first. McLaren hand have actually lost WCC points by favouring Lando to this extent. That’s just a fact.

Btw, AT managed to bring their big upgrade for both drivers, it doesn’t look great that McLaren couldn’t manage this.

What has this to got to do with our updates program ?

[mwillems]

The team does what they think is best for the team. As Stella said, if drivers don't like it, then they aren't thinking about the team. Which would indicate that if they aren't thinking about the team they shouldn't be on the team.

But, I think Oscar knows his position as the rookie, behind his teammate in points and qualifying. He doesn't seem like one to rock the apple cart, at this stage of his career at least.

If anyone thinks they have some anti Oscar agenda in the team, give your head a wobble.

I’m not saying they are biased against Oscar, they are biased towards Lando. Quite different!

The golden rule of F1 teams has always been to pit the driver in the best on track position first. McLaren hand have actually lost WCC points by favouring Lando to this extent. That’s just a fact.

Btw, AT managed to bring their big upgrade for both drivers, it doesn’t look great that McLaren couldn’t manage this.

What has this to got to do with our updates program ?

Indeed. Mclaren are pushing their development to the limit and bringing updates as soon as they can, not waiting for a pair.

Right now they are developing the 24 car and data is gold. Holding back a race when they could have valuable data around the floor geometries and the implementation of the sidepod and other changes would be madness, they need that data yesterday.

And Lando has twice the points of Piastri, understands the car and it's mechanics, recognises and can describe the traits of the car... There is no reasonable logic for Lando not to get the upgrade. As I've said before, this is separate from the focus in races which seems a bit skewed for whatever reason, either on Lando or not enough on an attack of the race.