2023 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

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mwillems wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 12:29
Its nice to see that the Ferrari rear looks very very tricky, this bodes well for our chances.
Yeah, seems they weren’t at all planted which I interpret as possibly struggling beyond single lap pace. If the red cars do block out the front row in qualifying then track position and undercut will be crucial. Still, early days and we’re heading into the night now.

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mwillems wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 13:00
MCLvamos wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 12:34
mwillems wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 12:29
Its nice to see that the Ferrari rear looks very very tricky, this bodes well for our chances.
still fast as hell
Yeah until the rear end slips out, a little bit of that on a fast lap in Q and we could get ahead, otherwise they do look faster.

We seem to be mixing it with Merc at 3/4th fastest team at worst, after that we can only hope for the best.
could be second behind the Ferraris if this RB struggle is genuine. That would be our best shot at the win imo, Red Bull are too strong deg wise and operationally on Sunday.

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BMMR61 wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 13:06
mwillems wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 12:29
Its nice to see that the Ferrari rear looks very very tricky, this bodes well for our chances.
Yeah, seems they weren’t at all planted which I interpret as possibly struggling beyond single lap pace. If the red cars do block out the front row in qualifying then track position and undercut will be crucial. Still, early days and we’re heading into the night now.
exactly, if we can get in the ballpark in qualifying, circumstances in the race give us a glimmer of you know what.

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BMMR61 wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 13:06
mwillems wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 12:29
Its nice to see that the Ferrari rear looks very very tricky, this bodes well for our chances.
Yeah, seems they weren’t at all planted which I interpret as possibly struggling beyond single lap pace. If the red cars do block out the front row in qualifying then track position and undercut will be crucial. Still, early days and we’re heading into the night now.
Don't mention the undercut!! :D

I still think we have been better in Q than race so I'm hoping we finish no lower than 7/8 tomorrow with a sensible hope for higher such as 3rd 4th, but if a Ferrari can have bad Qualy lap at the wrong time then at Singapore it can make all the difference. I think RB will pull through in Qualy, they were having upshift issues today.
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Happy 500th page everyone!

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Also both drivers are back on the newest spec rear wing.

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MrGapes wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 13:17
Also both drivers are back on the newest spec rear wing.
Is that the one with the square cut wing edge instead of rounded?
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Getting more air to the rear.
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mwillems wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 13:20


Getting more air to the rear.
The channel has become more uniform in width. Oscar also used an updated rear wing. I wonder what performance gains the other updates gave? 3 tenths or even more?

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mwillems wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 13:19
MrGapes wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 13:17
Also both drivers are back on the newest spec rear wing.
Is that the one with the square cut wing edge instead of rounded?
Right.

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That lap from Lando was super impressive!

Good work from Oscar to be only 4/10th's behind despite having never driven a car in Singapore and running the old Aero spec.
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I'm so happy with the driver pairing McLaren have got. Watching the way Oscar progresses over the weekend is fantastic. He doesn't get flustered, not over eager, just goes about his business. He and Lando are amazing talents.
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LionsHeart wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 13:46
mwillems wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 13:20


Getting more air to the rear.
The channel has become more uniform in width. Oscar also used an updated rear wing. I wonder what performance gains the other updates gave? 3 tenths or even more?
He's only 4 tenths off Norris but it maybe that on raw performance they are within a tenth and the rest is the update. But it was impressive from Piastri in FP3.
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mwillems wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 13:54
mwillems wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 13:20


Getting more air to the rear.
He's only 4 tenths off Norris but it maybe that on raw performance they are within a tenth and the rest is the update. But it was impressive from Piastri in FP3.
The gap between them is usually between 0.15 and 0.3 seconds per lap depending on track length and other factors. Probably not more than 0.25 with this track length.

With a 0.427 gap that generally puts this upgrade at somewhere between 0.13 and 0.28 seconds a lap for this track length.

To add to that remember that Piastri also did get some of the new parts. So that's just the parts that Lando got that Piastri didn't. I guess the parts we know that LN got that OP didn't get are new floor and sidepods. Can anyone else confirm if OP got any of the other new parts?

Edit. Looking at stills from the FP3 video it doesn't look like he's using the new front wing end plates either. It's a bit too grainy for me to tell if he's using the updated halo furniture or not. Parts that OP might be running but I personally can't confirm are:
  • rear wing end plate
    New halo furniture
    New rear brake ducts
    New rear toe link shroud
    New beam wing geometry
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trinidefender wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 14:20
mwillems wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 13:54
mwillems wrote:
16 Sep 2023, 13:20


Getting more air to the rear.
He's only 4 tenths off Norris but it maybe that on raw performance they are within a tenth and the rest is the update. But it was impressive from Piastri in FP3.
The gap between them is usually between 0.15 and 0.3 seconds per lap depending on track length and other factors. Probably not more than 0.25 with this track length.

With a 0.427 gap that generally puts this upgrade at somewhere between 0.13 and 0.28 seconds a lap for this track length.

To add to that remember that Piastri also did get some of the new parts. So that's just the parts that Lando got that Piastri didn't. I guess the parts we know that LN got that OP didn't get are new floor and sidepods. Can anyone else confirm if OP got any of the other new parts?
They've been getting closer of late and everyone is closer here anyway so I'm not sure the drivers are as important as usual in the gaps but it's all guesswork.

I'm maybe optimistic of a more effective upgrade than 2 tenths.
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