2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Sieper]

Also viaplay Scandinavia “could this be due to the flex wing”, max with a twinkle in the eyes, I knew that was coming, we will see next week in Suzuka.

[dialtone]

So, Max said he was bottoming out a lot on braking so he had to brake more gently, in FP2 you could see this into T1 very easily as his braking was much worse than everyone else.

If this forces them to run the car higher, and this is a smooth track, I don't see how this change is track specific.

[Jaisonas]

The TD is focused around aero and singapore is one of the least aero dependant tracks. Its heavily suspension focused. The directives had nothing to do with redbull's poor performance, they themselves expected to be bad here.

[dans79]

The TD is focused around aero and singapore is one of the least aero dependant tracks. Its heavily suspension focused. The directives had nothing to do with redbull's poor performance, they themselves expected to be bad here.

The updated one was about floor balsa legality mounting.

[dialtone]

The TD is focused around aero and singapore is one of the least aero dependant tracks. Its heavily suspension focused. The directives had nothing to do with redbull's poor performance, they themselves expected to be bad here.

big over simplification. One piece of it had to do with floors dampening impact via use of rubber/plastic materials in the right places.

Also being good/bad at a track is very different than being out in q2 for a car that won hungary and baku by ridiculous margins. They'll be back ahead next race but the gap is heavily reduced.

[chrisc90]

The TD is focused around aero and singapore is one of the least aero dependant tracks. Its heavily suspension focused. The directives had nothing to do with redbull's poor performance, they themselves expected to be bad here.

big over simplification. One piece of it had to do with floors dampening impact via use of rubber/plastic materials in the right places.

Also being good/bad at a track is very different than being out in q2 for a car that won hungary and baku by ridiculous margins. They'll be back ahead next race but the gap is heavily reduced.

Why would that explain the slightly quicker race pace though? Surely they would go hand in hand and not just be affecting 1 lap.

Its been a shocking weekend for RB from the get go, 1 bad weekend in 2 years of a new set of regulations is still VERY good going. Other top teams have dropped the ball CONSIDERABLY more than RB have in 4 sessions of the weekend so far.

I'm happy to write this weekend off, near enough and go onwards to Suzuka where, with any luck - fingers crossed - it will be business as usual.

[AR3-GP]

The FIA already showed their hand with TD039. For people to think RB responded to that, by developing a car around a plank trick, is not logical.

It will be fun to imagine so, however....

Japan may cause disappointment.

[dialtone]

The FIA already showed their hand with TD039. For people to think RB responded to that, by developing a car around a plank trick, is not logical.

It will be fun to imagine so, however....

Japan may cause disappointment.

In all honesty do you really think it's normal that RBR is sitting out Q3? You think bottoming out under braking in T1 is special in Singapore?

[Juzh]

The TD is focused around aero and singapore is one of the least aero dependant tracks. Its heavily suspension focused. The directives had nothing to do with redbull's poor performance, they themselves expected to be bad here.

big over simplification. One piece of it had to do with floors dampening impact via use of rubber/plastic materials in the right places.

Also being good/bad at a track is very different than being out in q2 for a car that won hungary and baku by ridiculous margins. They'll be back ahead next race but the gap is heavily reduced.

Why would that explain the slightly quicker race pace though? Surely they would go hand in hand and not just be affecting 1 lap.

Race hasn't happened yet, and I doubt VERY much they'd be on pace of front runners, even when tyres are in window. Gap is just waaay too big. In hungary when they were trash in quali (relatively speaking) they still managed P2, here at best they'd be like P7-9.

[Jaisonas]

Though i agree with most of the above, redbull historically has been bad here. AFAIK wasn't it singapore where redbull brought the wrong springs for that gp and were unstable all over the track a few years ago?

[AR3-GP]

big over simplification. One piece of it had to do with floors dampening impact via use of rubber/plastic materials in the right places.

Also being good/bad at a track is very different than being out in q2 for a car that won hungary and baku by ridiculous margins. They'll be back ahead next race but the gap is heavily reduced.

Why would that explain the slightly quicker race pace though? Surely they would go hand in hand and not just be affecting 1 lap.

Race hasn't happened yet, and I doubt VERY much they'd be on pace of front runners, even when tyres are in window. Gap is just waaay too big. In hungary when they were trash in quali (relatively speaking) they still managed P2, here at best they'd be like P7-9.

They had better grid positions in hungry and in hungary you can overtake. The problem is on a track like this, there's no room for bad setups and bad tire prep.

Even if they have race pace tomorrow, they will be stuck in a DRS train.

[AR3-GP]

The FIA already showed their hand with TD039. For people to think RB responded to that, by developing a car around a plank trick, is not logical.

It will be fun to imagine so, however....

Japan may cause disappointment.

In all honesty do you really think it's normal that RBR is sitting out Q3? You think bottoming out under braking in T1 is special in Singapore?

we will find out what is special in a weeks time I guess.

[Spacepace]

What everyone will ask...
How much of this championship was atributed to flexible body work, as well as last years?
Max and Perez looking ordinary now. Not able to wring the neck of the car and put it where it doesnt belong.
The other teams could see this last half as an opportunity to get a few wins. But i suspect the car should be sorted out in a race or 2

I dont think what we are seeing today is due to flexible bodywork. Seems like they just couldnt turn the tire on.

From the very fast outlaps, to the poor sector 1 (max had a moment, Perez even spun) to knowing that redbull conserve tires (but heats up poorly) to the Haas’ (very good on tire warm up) being fast, to Max being as fast as the rest on the 3 lap run, everything points to tire temp issues.

A very poor weekend so far, plus grid penalty for Max incoming. Tomorrow if tire wear is good they can still do something.

Yeah I think you've nailed it. We've seen this here before. Everything points towards this. From drivers that don't get probably tyre prep struggling to teams like Ferrari/Haas overheating tyres being able to find ideal grip

[vorticism]

The TD is focused around aero and singapore is one of the least aero dependant tracks. Its heavily suspension focused. The directives had nothing to do with redbull's poor performance, they themselves expected to be bad here.

big over simplification. One piece of it had to do with floors dampening impact via use of rubber/plastic materials in the right places.

Also being good/bad at a track is very different than being out in q2 for a car that won hungary and baku by ridiculous margins. They'll be back ahead next race but the gap is heavily reduced.

It's also an oversimplification to say, "use of rubber/plastic materials in the right places" without suggesting how such a mechanism would function.

[Wouter]