Lewis said he went the wrong way setup-wise going into Saturday. Something his side of the garage has got to fix. Not the first time this season that Lewis' side of the garage gets lost on setup between Friday and Saturday.
Lewis said he went the wrong way setup-wise going into Saturday. Something his side of the garage has got to fix. Not the first time this season that Lewis' side of the garage gets lost on setup between Friday and Saturday.
He thinks he is better so i dont expect him to put much respect to lewis' approach.dans79 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 16:43Honestly I don't think he has the talent for it. He brought the new mediums up to temp far to fast, and then didn't change his lines much to ensure he feed clean air to the front brakes and tires.
considering he sees all of Lewis's data you would think he'd have learned by now!
It feels like Lewis is always seeking that extra tenth and that sometimes pushes the car out of its window. These cars do seem to have quite small sweet spots in terms of set-up. I think Lewis is still in the W12 mindset where they could find that extra bit in the set up, George is still able to think "that's close enough, I can make that work".
I think russel had the better race and qualy setup. He just doesnt use it well.
I think it was an issue in 2022 as well, espcially given the weak top speed of the Merc. Thats why we had to see Lewis in the gearbox of Gasly for an entire race (Imola) or a painful Jeddah.
That's not quite right. HAM came out close to ~4.5s behind RUS and brought the gap down to 2.5s by the time RUS got DRS on LEC. He basically caught RUS on average by ~0.4s/lap.
I tend to disagree.ringo wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 17:03I think russel had the better race and qualy setup. He just doesnt use it well.
To be fair to him, hamilton was not that much quicker. The 5 second gap came down because leclerc was blocking russel. So leclerc was the bottleneck. Lewis knew this and took his time to chip away at the gap to russel without damaging his tyres. Just better race management. Then he applied pressure and sat there waiting for an error. Classic hamilton.
Seen this many times. Worked on Vettel, Webber, Bottas and Nico quite well and also on Max.
Agreed, Hamilton had a great start, got past Norris and alongside Russell but Russell unnecessarily forcing Lewis off the track ruined it, they could have potentially gotten a 1-2 imo. Hopefully this weekend gives Lewis more motivation to qualify better and ahead of GeorgeSidiamal wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 16:24George Russell cost Mercedes the victory today, first by forcing his teammate off the track in Lap 1 instead of conceding defeat with dignity, and then put every chance of salvaging a victory in the garbage bin by holding him up instead of letting him by to use his far superior pace to overtake the leading duo.
Unfortunately, for all his talent, his obsession with wanting to be the man who beat Lewis has made him an active and constant liability to the team. Hamilton has to focus on making sure he qualifies ahead of GR at every race lest his teammate cost him again.
None of that was necessary if Lewis would have qualified ahead. Like Norris said, Lewis had no intention of making the corner by going so fast into turn 1. It wasn't George pushing him so much, but it was just his lower position that qualified that made him go for that corner hot.Luscion wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 17:09Agreed, Hamilton had a great start, got past Norris and alongside Russell but Russell unnecessarily forcing Lewis off the track ruined it, they could have potentially gotten a 1-2 imo. Hopefully this weekend gives Lewis more motivation to qualify better and ahead of GeorgeSidiamal wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 16:24George Russell cost Mercedes the victory today, first by forcing his teammate off the track in Lap 1 instead of conceding defeat with dignity, and then put every chance of salvaging a victory in the garbage bin by holding him up instead of letting him by to use his far superior pace to overtake the leading duo.
Unfortunately, for all his talent, his obsession with wanting to be the man who beat Lewis has made him an active and constant liability to the team. Hamilton has to focus on making sure he qualifies ahead of GR at every race lest his teammate cost him again.
It was 5.2 at most actually. The first lap out of the box, Hamilton was quite a bit slower than George, likely to bring the tyres in. Then it was no contest.Spoutnik wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 17:08I tend to disagree.ringo wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 17:03I think russel had the better race and qualy setup. He just doesnt use it well.
To be fair to him, hamilton was not that much quicker. The 5 second gap came down because leclerc was blocking russel. So leclerc was the bottleneck. Lewis knew this and took his time to chip away at the gap to russel without damaging his tyres. Just better race management. Then he applied pressure and sat there waiting for an error. Classic hamilton.
Seen this many times. Worked on Vettel, Webber, Bottas and Nico quite well and also on Max.
I think Russell was faster all weekend. And his mindset was on the win for sure.
But I do think Lewis was faster on the last stint.
He closed the gap (3.9 to 2.5 IIRC) before Russell even got into Leclerc' gearbox.
And we saw his lines etc, and the way he was able to put pressure on George (more than George against Nando).
Lewis has just got more experience and ofc his raw talent, I think the last stint and his "mature" race management showed it today.
Still he bring the points for the team to stay ahead of Ferrari in the WCC. And he overtake Alonso in the WDC.
mkay wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 17:07That's not quite right. HAM came out close to ~4.5s behind RUS and brought the gap down to 2.5s by the time RUS got DRS on LEC. He basically caught RUS on average by ~0.4s/lap.
I saw his body language and he seemed disappointed on the podium. It's a very mature reaction from him.Luscion wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 17:29Lewis talking about him needing to do better in quali and that he will.
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