2023 Singapore Grand Prix - Marina Bay, Sep 15 -17

[Oleo]

Perez dive bombed and has been given a pointless 5s penalty.

Unsure what you (and others) are getting at on this one. The stewards decisions have been consistent with rewarding the 5 second penalty to those drivers who cause a collision.

Apart from making it 10seconds (which would need drivers/teams agreement mid-season) then the only realistic time you can implement it is at the start of the new season.

He dive bombed 2 times and they gave the penalty after the race only when it didn't matter...

No other team is treated like this.

Hamilton literally left the track during an overtake. Last week Russell consciously cut a corner and elected to take the 5 sec penalty over giving the place back, knowing it saved him a lot of time.

[dialtone]

Unsure what you (and others) are getting at on this one. The stewards decisions have been consistent with rewarding the 5 second penalty to those drivers who cause a collision.

Apart from making it 10seconds (which would need drivers/teams agreement mid-season) then the only realistic time you can implement it is at the start of the new season.

He dive bombed 2 times and they gave the penalty after the race only when it didn't matter...

No other team is treated like this.

How do you think a penalty in the closing stages of the race, when there is no more pitstops to take, get their penalty applied?

Same happened for Lewis in Monza, and George from memory.


There is literally no other time to add a penalty on in that scenario.

Tsunoda was lap 1... He would be more dead last than he was. But they give him the penalty for the incident that has no impact on his race.

Tsunoda basically just a device to help steer an understeery car. This was similar to Hamilton in Spa, Ham was at fault there and Per was here. But RedBull really needs to do 4-5 penalties to get 1.

[Just_a_fan]

Perez left space in Spa, Ham couldnt keep his line, so one to blame.
Albon didnt leave space, so its both with blame.

Perez dive bombed and has been given a pointless 5s penalty.

Unsure what you (and others) are getting at on this one. The stewards decisions have been consistent with rewarding the 5 second penalty to those drivers who cause a collision.

Apart from making it 10seconds (which would need drivers/teams agreement mid-season) then the only realistic time you can implement it is at the start of the new season.

It's pointless after the race because other drivers can't react to it.

[Spoutnik]

I have to say Ocon was brillant today

[mwillems]

Also Merc should have told the FIA to pound sand about giving the place back to Norris!

Feels like Lando did get lucky with Ham giving the place back, he was in control and past Lando.

Russell ran him off the road so he accelerated away and round the bollard, but was not carrying too much speed in the corner for the Norris overtake.

[Juzh]

Perez dive bombed and has been given a pointless 5s penalty.

Unsure what you (and others) are getting at on this one. The stewards decisions have been consistent with rewarding the 5 second penalty to those drivers who cause a collision.

Apart from making it 10seconds (which would need drivers/teams agreement mid-season) then the only realistic time you can implement it is at the start of the new season.

It's pointless after the race because other drivers can't react to it.

So you agree then that hamilton's 5s in monza was also useless It was, but perez' is also useless. That's why I suggested 15s instead of 5s in the other thread. Both times I'd make a significant enough difference. F1 seriously needs to reconsider these 5s joke penalties.

[AR3-GP]

Unsure what you (and others) are getting at on this one. The stewards decisions have been consistent with rewarding the 5 second penalty to those drivers who cause a collision.

Apart from making it 10seconds (which would need drivers/teams agreement mid-season) then the only realistic time you can implement it is at the start of the new season.

It's pointless after the race because other drivers can't react to it.

So you agree then that hamilton's 5s in monza was also useless It was, but perez' is also useless. That's why I suggested 15s instead of 5s in the other thread. Both times I'd make a significant enough difference. F1 seriously needs to reconsider these 5s joke penalties.

In the FIA WEC, drivers get 3 minute penalties for stuff like this.

[Juzh]

It's pointless after the race because other drivers can't react to it.

So you agree then that hamilton's 5s in monza was also useless It was, but perez' is also useless. That's why I suggested 15s instead of 5s in the other thread. Both times I'd make a significant enough difference. F1 seriously needs to reconsider these 5s joke penalties.

In the FIA WEC, drivers get 3 minute penalties for stuff like this.

Too lenient, should get 3 year prison sentence, that'll teach em

[dialtone]

So you agree then that hamilton's 5s in monza was also useless It was, but perez' is also useless. That's why I suggested 15s instead of 5s in the other thread. Both times I'd make a significant enough difference. F1 seriously needs to reconsider these 5s joke penalties.

In the FIA WEC, drivers get 3 minute penalties for stuff like this.

Too lenient, should get 3 year prison sentence, that'll teach em

Not to Ferrari drivers, need to 2x everything to teach them.

[AR3-GP]

In the FIA WEC, drivers get 3 minute penalties for stuff like this.

Too lenient, should get 3 year prison sentence, that'll teach em

Not to Ferrari drivers, need to 2x everything to teach them.

Truer words have never been spoken

[mwillems]

Also Merc should have told the FIA to pound sand about giving the place back to Norris!
https://i.ibb.co/r7B5XtR/Lewis-past-Norris.gif

Feels like Lando did get lucky with Ham giving the place back, he was in control and past Lando.

Russell ran him off the road so he accelerated away and round the bollard, but was not carrying too much speed in the corner for the Norris overtake.

I agree with Norris saying that Hamilton count on that he wasn't able to pass the turn 1 and in this case he could use the bypass like Raikkonen did in Spa in 2009. What if there was a wall? He would have braken heavily making it impossible to pass Norris.

He was past Norris, he only straightened out because Russell pushed him off track. Hamilton was a bit hard done to on that one.

[AR3-GP]

Was any explanation given for the first safety car?

[dialtone]

Was any explanation given for the first safety car?

What a ridiculous choice again... Everyone was bunched up anyway, VSC the one thing on track.

[Macklaren]

Feels like Lando did get lucky with Ham giving the place back, he was in control and past Lando.

Russell ran him off the road so he accelerated away and round the bollard, but was not carrying too much speed in the corner for the Norris overtake.

I agree with Norris saying that Hamilton count on that he wasn't able to pass the turn 1 and in this case he could use the bypass like Raikkonen did in Spa in 2009. What if there was a wall? He would have braken heavily making it impossible to pass Norris.

He was past Norris, he only straightened out because Russell pushed him off track. Hamilton was a bit hard done to on that one.

No, it only looks that way because he clearly outbraked himself knowing that he could straightline there corner. He deserved to give the place back

[Szabi1112]

Feels like Lando did get lucky with Ham giving the place back, he was in control and past Lando.

Russell ran him off the road so he accelerated away and round the bollard, but was not carrying too much speed in the corner for the Norris overtake.

I agree with Norris saying that Hamilton count on that he wasn't able to pass the turn 1 and in this case he could use the bypass like Raikkonen did in Spa in 2009. What if there was a wall? He would have braken heavily making it impossible to pass Norris.

He was past Norris, he only straightened out because Russell pushed him off track. Hamilton was a bit hard done to on that one.

Passing somebody before the corner is not a big thing. What matters is to succeed the corner, but Hamilton failed.