2023 Scuderia AlphaTauri F1 Team

[Wouter]

What? Did I miss this big damage? I thought he just hit the wheel...

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This all was Perez his fault.

[ispano6]

F1 Rumour: Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri Contract Extension To Be Announced This Week
https://www.si.com/fannation/racing/f1b ... -week-lm22

Not a big surprise considering his pace this year in a turd of a car. He deserves to be a in good car next year and hopefully it is a decent car.

[Bill]

F1 Rumour: Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri Contract Extension To Be Announced This Week
https://www.si.com/fannation/racing/f1b ... -week-lm22

Not a big surprise considering his pace this year in a turd of a car. He deserves to be a in good car next year and hopefully it is a decent car.

it was naive for some people to think that he would just go away to make room for some new blue eyed blonde he is a Honda man.the same is true for stroll he is going nowhere despite the vitriol and hate.people should appreciate that the Stroll are taking their hard earned money and investing in sport we all love

[Wouter]

F1 Rumour: Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri Contract Extension To Be Announced This Week
https://www.si.com/fannation/racing/f1b ... -week-lm22

Not a big surprise considering his pace this year in a turd of a car. He deserves to be a in good car next year and hopefully it is a decent car.

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it was naive for some people to think that he would just go away to make room for some new blue eyed blonde he is a Honda man.the same is true for stroll he is going nowhere despite the vitriol and hate.people should appreciate that the Stroll are taking their hard earned money and investing in sport we all love

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This "some new blue eyed blonde" will also drive for SAT in 2024.

[djos]

F1 Rumour: Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri Contract Extension To Be Announced This Week
https://www.si.com/fannation/racing/f1b ... -week-lm22

Not a big surprise considering his pace this year in a turd of a car. He deserves to be a in good car next year and hopefully it is a decent car.

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it was naive for some people to think that he would just go away to make room for some new blue eyed blonde he is a Honda man.the same is true for stroll he is going nowhere despite the vitriol and hate.people should appreciate that the Stroll are taking their hard earned money and investing in sport we all love

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This "some new blue eyed blonde" will also drive for SAT in 2024.

Yeah I would not be surprised at all if AT had an all antipodean line up for 24. Lawson did an outstanding job in Singapore!

The other option is Perez gets replaced by Daniel at RBR and AT keeps Yuki and adds Liam.

[runningmanz]

Seems it could be Tsunoda and Ricciardo on the latest rumours. Hopefully if so Liam gets a seat somewhere as he deserves it. Then again as others have mentioned DR could swap with Perez. Perez thought he was 10 pin bowling last race taking out Yuki and then Albon. Very poor driving. Seems like almost every race he has some sort of incident or poor qualli etc

https://www.foxsports.com.au/motorsport ... 4eb19ba8bc

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Christian Horner says everyone at RBR was impressed by Liam Lawson's performances

"I think everybody in Red Bull Racing was very impressed with what he has done. He's making a very strong case for himself."

I hope they go with Liam over ricciardo. Lawson has a future with RB imo. He's shown on numerous occasions he can be up to speed immediately and he knows how to win.

What is the outlook for ricciardo? I guess he provides a nice stable teammate for max if he is actually good enough. But that isn't guaranteed (unless his Silverstone test truly was special).

I think judgment of the Liam Vs ricciardo case is difficult without knowledge of how ricciardo did on the simulator & tyre test. If they see him as a realistic RB candidate for 2025 or not. If not, Liam is the obvious choice

[djos]

Christian Horner says everyone at RBR was impressed by Liam Lawson's performances

"I think everybody in Red Bull Racing was very impressed with what he has done. He's making a very strong case for himself."

I hope they go with Liam over ricciardo. Lawson has a future with RB imo. He's shown on numerous occasions he can be up to speed immediately and he knows how to win.

What is the outlook for ricciardo? I guess he provides a nice stable teammate for max if he is actually good enough. But that isn't guaranteed (unless his Silverstone test truly was special).

I think judgment of the Liam Vs ricciardo case is difficult without knowledge of how ricciardo did on the simulator & tyre test. If they see him as a realistic RB candidate for 2025 or not. If not, Liam is the obvious choice

Daniel is the only driver who has been able to consistently operate at similar levels to Max. If you ignore the horrid run of reliability in his last 6 months of his last season at RBR, they were very evenly matched.

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Christian Horner says everyone at RBR was impressed by Liam Lawson's performances

"I think everybody in Red Bull Racing was very impressed with what he has done. He's making a very strong case for himself."

I hope they go with Liam over ricciardo. Lawson has a future with RB imo. He's shown on numerous occasions he can be up to speed immediately and he knows how to win.

What is the outlook for ricciardo? I guess he provides a nice stable teammate for max if he is actually good enough. But that isn't guaranteed (unless his Silverstone test truly was special).

I think judgment of the Liam Vs ricciardo case is difficult without knowledge of how ricciardo did on the simulator & tyre test. If they see him as a realistic RB candidate for 2025 or not. If not, Liam is the obvious choice

Daniel is the only driver who has been able to consistently operate at similar levels to Max. If you ignore the horrid run of reliability in his last 6 months of his last season at RBR, they were very evenly matched.

Max was very new on the grid at the point ricciardo was beating him and was the established team leader.. and to not ignore the bad reliability run, every time ricciardo retired in 2018 it was from a position behind Max on track because he was being beaten on pace not just reliability

I don't think ricciardo at his prime compared to max only a couple of years out of karts (when most would be doing F3) is fair to bring into what would end up being: max now (possible prime) Vs ricciardo aged 34 with time out of F1 and most definitely not in his prime.. Personally I think current ric wouldn't be any closer than Perez is atm. But that's just my opinion

[Bill]

Ric is being prepared to go to rebull in 2025 when perez contract run out thats when liam will get a seat.perez still need to finish p2 to keep his seat.

[BMMR61]

Tobi Gruner says...... Hadn't heard of him till now. I've looked at some of his twitter stuff and a lot looks more speculation than inside knowledge. We'll see.
I don't know how much the Honda powertrain connection brings to the Tsunoda future. AM are the future of Honda and RB seemingly downplay Honda to a great extent since their timid withdrawal during the 2021 season. Liam will at this point be extremely lucky to lose out again given he has already shown a better self control in most situations. Given he hasn't crashed the car, he's had a couple of spins, he's been narrowing the outright pace difference to Yuki, he looks to have a decent future. Dr Marko has made some questionable calls and shown a lot of abrasiveness towards his drivers. Favouring Kvyat over Sainz, blaming Ricciardo for the Baku coming together with Max and the loss of trust involved, choosing deVries on the basis of one GP then having a change of heart, and plenty of media lines which undermine trust. I just struggle with Yuki, mainly due to his lack of self control and an apparent lack of racing brain. Yes, he has tidied it up a bit in 2023 but a rookie snapping at his heels with no preparation and simulator work until a few weeks ago??? Year 3 is meant to be where a gauge of a driver's peak ability can be gauged (not saying they have peaked). Yuki just doesn't look to be firmly in the F1 "B group" yet and may never get to that level. I'm very disappointed that the RedBull quest for young talent promotion seems absent. I'm sorry for AT, I'm sorry for Liam who has done more than could be expected.

[djos]

I hope they go with Liam over ricciardo. Lawson has a future with RB imo. He's shown on numerous occasions he can be up to speed immediately and he knows how to win.

What is the outlook for ricciardo? I guess he provides a nice stable teammate for max if he is actually good enough. But that isn't guaranteed (unless his Silverstone test truly was special).

I think judgment of the Liam Vs ricciardo case is difficult without knowledge of how ricciardo did on the simulator & tyre test. If they see him as a realistic RB candidate for 2025 or not. If not, Liam is the obvious choice

Daniel is the only driver who has been able to consistently operate at similar levels to Max. If you ignore the horrid run of reliability in his last 6 months of his last season at RBR, they were very evenly matched.

Max was very new on the grid at the point ricciardo was beating him and was the established team leader.. and to not ignore the bad reliability run, every time ricciardo retired in 2018 it was from a position behind Max on track because he was being beaten on pace not just reliability

I don't think ricciardo at his prime compared to max only a couple of years out of karts (when most would be doing F3) is fair to bring into what would end up being: max now (possible prime) Vs ricciardo aged 34 with time out of F1 and most definitely not in his prime.. Personally I think current ric wouldn't be any closer than Perez is atm. But that's just my opinion

Daniel raced against Max for 3 years. Jos even called him “really good, a qualifying beast.”.

He would wipe the floor with Perez!

Btw, there are reports that Yuki will be announced for ‘24 in Japan.

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Daniel is the only driver who has been able to consistently operate at similar levels to Max. If you ignore the horrid run of reliability in his last 6 months of his last season at RBR, they were very evenly matched.

Max was very new on the grid at the point ricciardo was beating him and was the established team leader.. and to not ignore the bad reliability run, every time ricciardo retired in 2018 it was from a position behind Max on track because he was being beaten on pace not just reliability

I don't think ricciardo at his prime compared to max only a couple of years out of karts (when most would be doing F3) is fair to bring into what would end up being: max now (possible prime) Vs ricciardo aged 34 with time out of F1 and most definitely not in his prime.. Personally I think current ric wouldn't be any closer than Perez is atm. But that's just my opinion

Daniel raced against Max for 3 years. Jos even called him “really good, a qualifying beast.”.

He would wipe the floor with Perez!

As teammates I agree ricciardo would beat Perez. But the issue is being Max's teammate requires extreme mental toughness - Gasly, Perez, Albon have all said as much. There are a few things that Ricciardo's McLaren stint exposed to me clearly but one of them is that he doesn't have that mental toughness. And maybe leaving the team to be clear #1 elsewhere was an early indicator of that.

I also can't view Jos as having an objective position.. he presumably based ricciardo's beastly form in qualifying on how he had Max's number in 2016-17 in quali. But how quick was max in quali back then really.. even now he is not considered the quickest in 1 lap pace.

[BMMR61]

Daniel is the only driver who has been able to consistently operate at similar levels to Max. If you ignore the horrid run of reliability in his last 6 months of his last season at RBR, they were very evenly matched.

Max was very new on the grid at the point ricciardo was beating him and was the established team leader.. and to not ignore the bad reliability run, every time ricciardo retired in 2018 it was from a position behind Max on track because he was being beaten on pace not just reliability

I don't think ricciardo at his prime compared to max only a couple of years out of karts (when most would be doing F3) is fair to bring into what would end up being: max now (possible prime) Vs ricciardo aged 34 with time out of F1 and most definitely not in his prime.. Personally I think current ric wouldn't be any closer than Perez is atm. But that's just my opinion

Daniel raced against Max for 3 years. Jos even called him “really good, a qualifying beast.”.

He would wipe the floor with Perez!

Btw, there are reports that Yuki will be announced for ‘24 in Japan.

Peak Daniel to be sure, he is a sure-bet racer. He was really decent at Renault in 2020 but the McLaren thing was disastrous. Can he recover his pace in whatever environment he finds himself next year.

I think RedBull need to make sure Liam has an F1 future and an obvious option would be as teammate to that other RB refugee Alex Albon at Williams as a 1-2 year loan.

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Unfortunately I think that the loan of Lawson to Williams is not a huge option as it's expected Williams will be giving Sargeant an extension. The situation around him is a bit more complicated than the surface. They originally intended Sargeant to be promoted in 2024 and '23 was supposed to be another season of F2.

They promoted Sargeant to F1 due to circumstances - no other option, and team wanted to part with Latifi - knowing he was immature/not ready. So it would now be unfair to not extend him due to rookie errors despite accepting this was likely. And if not extend him then they're essentially not giving him a 'proper' shot at F1 if they've already got '23 down as a development year