2023 Williams Racing F1 Team

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skoop wrote:
29 Aug 2023, 07:35
Mr Brooksy wrote:
27 Aug 2023, 00:19
So there's been some articles recently about next year's car and even suggestions that they are changing the design philosophy.

That got me thinking, am I correct in my assumption that this car owes it's design linage to the mish mash that Paddy Lowe and the team put together in 2018 (obviously not the under floor philosophy as that changed significantly for 22)? Which dropped us like a rock to dead last in the standings for 4 out of the last 5 years?
No, next years car will be an evolution of this years car. They plan to make a big step in 2025 when they will be able to benefit from new / updated tools and infrastructure. It is mentioned in the last paragraph of this AMuS article:
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... ng-wunder/
Great, thanks for that link! Much appreciated.
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The car will look cool at Singapore

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영국남자 Korean Englishman
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A few months ago we met the Thai British F1 driver Alex Albon at an event and invited him to go out and try some Korean food.
Alex is one of only 20 Formula One drivers in the world, and is ranked amongst the very best drivers on the grid.
He’s driven for Toro Rosso, Red Bull and most recently for Williams. During the mid-season break he took time out of his busy schedule
to meet us at one of my favourite London BBQ spots for some food and a chat.
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This is somethink for Yuki who looooves food! :lol:

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A controversial opinion, James vowles is getting all the praise for a car that the predecessor developed where he should be judged is on the operation now. No one is calling him out on the fact that they have not been able to manufacture spares of the front wing released in Silverstone, granted Logan went through two in a Grand Prix but to just make 4 wings in 2 months is a joke. McLaren have a new spec car almost in the same time whilst the other teams have brought upgrades. Just what the machine shop is making if they can't even produce front wings is shockingly poor.

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They make less front wing, so that they can by new machines for the machine shop, as they have to go to race budget to update there facilities now that the teams couldn't agree to let them spent more money on infrastructure from other sources.

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I might be wrong but I've not read anywhere that suggests that James Vowels is openly accepting credit for the cars speed. He and the management is accepting credit for new processes and changes in infrastructure and procedures.

What others say or attribute to you doesn't mean you're looking for or accepting it as all your doing. There's an important distinction that needs to be realised.
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Is Logan sustainable

Yes he should be in F2 this year and the team has acknowledged that they took him early due to circumstances.. but he seems to be worsening rather than improving.

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Sargeant locked a wheel on fading tyres after modifying his lift-and-coast. It had drastic consequences, but was ultimately a small mistake and the only mistake he made all weekend.
More importantly, Sargeant was close to Albon's performance despite running the old front wing. He was faster than Albon on their first quali-runs, and could have made it to Q2 if he hadn't been hampered by gearbox issues and traffic on his last run. In the race, the team says he matched Albon performance until his crash. His pace during the following two stints with a damaged car was strong, and he didn't put a foot wrong (again). Singapore really wasn't one of those weekends where Sargeant looked lost and showed no signs of anything. He made a small, isolated mistake while showing good pace.
His problem is that every mistake he makes is, of course, viewed in the context of the many mistakes he's made throughout the season. And every poor result is viewed in the context of the many poor results he's had so far. The pressure on him to deliver results just keeps increasing. Which doesn't help to avoid making mistakes and get good results. He really needs a clean weekend where everything comes together to break out of that negativity spiral.

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Sargeant had the better of Lawson for most of F2 session in the same car, so he does have decent skills and is fast. Lawson is getting all the praise for his heroics whilst it's a spiral for Logan. The pressure is getting to him and Alex is a very tough yardstick.
He was already down by few tenths to Alex before his supposed issue and to be fair Alex was lucky to get out of Q1. The crash however is just poor, guess the Williams is a difficult car, only the Alfa Romeo was worse this week. He needs to get a lucky break.

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McMika98 wrote:
18 Sep 2023, 19:50
Sargeant had the better of Lawson for most of F2 session in the same car, so he does have decent skills and is fast. Lawson is getting all the praise for his heroics whilst it's a spiral for Logan. The pressure is getting to him and Alex is a very tough yardstick.
He was already down by few tenths to Alex before his supposed issue and to be fair Alex was lucky to get out of Q1. The crash however is just poor, guess the Williams is a difficult car, only the Alfa Romeo was worse this week. He needs to get a lucky break.
There's a chance Williams have been hurt by the technical directive as well. It was reported by AMUS that Williams may have had to change their floor.
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Terrible driving from Sargeant in Q1. Avoidable crash.

It seems every weekend he has an incident. The team can't afford the damage; Vowles has said Sargeant was already running older components due to lack of spares for the new stuff (which he'd already damaged).....

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organic wrote:
23 Sep 2023, 08:21
Terrible driving from Sargeant in Q1. Avoidable crash.

It seems every weekend he has an incident. The team can't afford the damage; Vowles has said Sargeant was already running older components due to lack of spares for the new stuff (which he'd already damaged).....
Yeah to keep his foot in wasn’t a very smart move. Shame I like the kid

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organic wrote:
23 Sep 2023, 08:21
Terrible driving from Sargeant in Q1. Avoidable crash.

It seems every weekend he has an incident. The team can't afford the damage; Vowles has said Sargeant was already running older components due to lack of spares for the new stuff (which he'd already damaged).....
He kept going raceday...

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Sargeant could go to spend a few seasons at Indy. About 2 or 3 years. He would gain good experience, in addition to making him better known to the North American public and being able to return with more publicity/marketing in the future (which is what Liberty Media dreams of). I think that would be a good way.