2023 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, Sep 22 - 24

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Re: 2023 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, Sep 22 - 24

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I don't know why I bother... Maybe I like you too much:

Mega zoom LEC v VER:
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You can see Max's throttle trace isn't 100%, maybe 98%, in fact it drops right when LEC's speed is passing above his. LEC goes full throttle after Max is off throttle and on brakes already.

I don't think the throttle trace is very linear and I think there's still space after 100% that we get no resolution on. On top of it your statement that Max was 100% is factually incorrect as clearly Ferrari keeps the throttle down, goes on later but stays on later.

Not only this shows a different interpretation of the corner, but clearly Max can push the car a bit more.

As I said already, this has nothing to do with engine mode, just Max not pushing.

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Re: 2023 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, Sep 22 - 24

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Sorry wrong image pasted in the post above:

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This is the right corner but with SAI instead.

The throttle trace isn't even 100% for SAI (you can see VER stuff above SAI), but in this case the total flatness of Max's trace looks like data is missing for his trace in that corner.

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Re: 2023 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, Sep 22 - 24

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dialtone wrote:
22 Sep 2023, 07:13
I don't know why I bother... Maybe I like you too much:

Mega zoom LEC v VER:

I was talking about Verstappen vs Sainz and you knew that.
A lion must kill its prey.

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Re: 2023 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, Sep 22 - 24

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AR3-GP wrote:
22 Sep 2023, 07:29
dialtone wrote:
22 Sep 2023, 07:13
I don't know why I bother... Maybe I like you too much:

Mega zoom LEC v VER:

I was talking about Verstappen vs Sainz and you knew that. Why are you trolling me?
I said sorry... Made a mistake on both corner and pairing. I posted the right one later.

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dialtone wrote:
22 Sep 2023, 07:29
AR3-GP wrote:
22 Sep 2023, 07:29
dialtone wrote:
22 Sep 2023, 07:13
I don't know why I bother... Maybe I like you too much:

Mega zoom LEC v VER:

I was talking about Verstappen vs Sainz and you knew that. Why are you trolling me?
I said sorry... Made a mistake on both corner and pairing. I posted the right one later.
Okay I see, I read sequentially so I started replying to the first before seeing the 2nd...

In any case, it's possible as you suggest that the data is just crap. If so, then my conclusions are tenuous.
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Re: 2023 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, Sep 22 - 24

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Norris very quick on mediums

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Re: 2023 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, Sep 22 - 24

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Honestly seeing a lot of cars struggling with understeer and mid corner snaps.

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Re: 2023 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, Sep 22 - 24

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super quick leclerc on mediums jeez

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Re: 2023 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, Sep 22 - 24

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Mercedes so-so on the first lap with the soft in #FP2 . Large deltas in the esses and throughout the first sector, they even lift a little in turn 8. Similar findings for Ferrari but it is with the Medium so there is explanation. However, we are only at the beginning, everything should be taken with a pinch of salt JapaneseGP


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Re: 2023 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, Sep 22 - 24

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Williams seem disproportionately good at front-limited tracks. The first sign was at Australia where Albon was on track for a p8 on merit or thereabouts at the point of the season when they felt they had the worst car.

Then there was Silverstone, then Zandvoort and now here where they look good again.

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Re: 2023 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, Sep 22 - 24

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With the soft the snake of #Verstappen is galactic. We notice an error of #Leclerc at turn 1 and one of Max at the hairpin. A little "lean" power curve for #RedBull . #Ferrari anyway good in T2 #JapaneseGP
To me the lower engine mode is obvious

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organic wrote:
22 Sep 2023, 08:45
With the soft the snake of #Verstappen is galactic. We notice an error of #Leclerc at turn 1 and one of Max at the hairpin. A little "lean" power curve for #RedBull . #Ferrari anyway good in T2 #JapaneseGP
To me the lower engine mode is obvious

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6nDVQIWAAA ... &name=orig
Holy crap, Verstappen gains so much through the esses.

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Sevach wrote:
22 Sep 2023, 08:48
organic wrote:
22 Sep 2023, 08:45
With the soft the snake of #Verstappen is galactic. We notice an error of #Leclerc at turn 1 and one of Max at the hairpin. A little "lean" power curve for #RedBull . #Ferrari anyway good in T2 #JapaneseGP
To me the lower engine mode is obvious

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6nDVQIWAAA ... &name=orig
Holy crap, Verstappen gains so much through the esses.
Yeah it's absurd. They're building the setup around protecting the tyres I think. Then they'll use the rubber at the hairpin as per usual

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Re: 2023 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, Sep 22 - 24

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Deg seems a bit high. but basically non existent for VER on proto tyres.. Jesus

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Re: 2023 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, Sep 22 - 24

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red flag time for a nap

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