2023 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

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BMMR61 wrote:
24 Sep 2023, 10:23
MrGapes wrote:
24 Sep 2023, 09:45
Sadly had a busy weekend so missed the race :(


But looked like everyone enjoyed it… I had a quick look through the race and WTF happened during the VSC with Lando and Perez
Perez had a shocker - FW damage lap one was just the beginning, then he was dawdling under the VSC when Lando came upon him and impeded him quite badly. I thought it would have been under investigation but Checo already had the penalties piling up. If we hadn't been having such a primo day I'd have thought a protest would have been in order.

EDIT - Thanks for the clarification about Perez damage.
So Lando reckons 10 seconds lost behind a slower than VSC Perez.
https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/24/nor ... sc-period/

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BMMR61 wrote:
24 Sep 2023, 11:25
BMMR61 wrote:
24 Sep 2023, 10:23
MrGapes wrote:
24 Sep 2023, 09:45
Sadly had a busy weekend so missed the race :(


But looked like everyone enjoyed it… I had a quick look through the race and WTF happened during the VSC with Lando and Perez
Perez had a shocker - FW damage lap one was just the beginning, then he was dawdling under the VSC when Lando came upon him and impeded him quite badly. I thought it would have been under investigation but Checo already had the penalties piling up. If we hadn't been having such a primo day I'd have thought a protest would have been in order.

EDIT - Thanks for the clarification about Perez damage.
So Lando reckons 10 seconds lost behind a slower than VSC Perez.
https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/24/nor ... sc-period/
How longer after did the VSC end?
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Congratulations to the team for a well deserved double podium. A car that was struggling in the final places in Bahrain for more than 1,5 sec each lap is now able to be in breath's range with first place. Only Verstappen is the last target which I'm hoping to be surpassed with a better start in 2024 now that our aerodynamisists have no more restriction from bad decisions. At the moment Max and out two drivers are getting the most of of their cars but Red Bull maximum is higher but I'm hoping that will change. Nobody wants another dominance like Mercedes.

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mwillems wrote:
24 Sep 2023, 11:08
proteus wrote:
24 Sep 2023, 10:59
It is interesting to consider that this is the most successfull season of Mclaren since 2012 in terms of podium finishes in a season, even though they were nowhere near points at the start. Makes me really happy :)
Still a big gap to RB though. Has that shrunk much since the Austria update?
Race time? Qualifying? Points?
One things for sure, prior to Austria our only decent haul was fortuitous 12 points in Australia, and 9th/10th at Monaco thanks to two great drivers on a driver's circuit. FIRST 8 GPs - 17 points. SECOND 8 GPs - 153 points.
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BMMR61 wrote:
24 Sep 2023, 11:36
mwillems wrote:
24 Sep 2023, 11:08
proteus wrote:
24 Sep 2023, 10:59
It is interesting to consider that this is the most successfull season of Mclaren since 2012 in terms of podium finishes in a season, even though they were nowhere near points at the start. Makes me really happy :)
Still a big gap to RB though. Has that shrunk much since the Austria update?
Race time? Qualifying? Points?
One things for sure, prior to Austria our only decent haul was fortuitous 12 points in Australia, and 9th/10th at Monaco thanks to two great drivers on a driver's circuit. FIRST 8 GPs - 17 points. SECOND 8 GPs - 155 points.
Not bad eh?
Time, obviously they've been collecting a few points
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mwillems wrote:
24 Sep 2023, 12:12
BMMR61 wrote:
24 Sep 2023, 11:36
mwillems wrote:
24 Sep 2023, 11:08


Still a big gap to RB though. Has that shrunk much since the Austria update?
Race time? Qualifying? Points?
One things for sure, prior to Austria our only decent haul was fortuitous 12 points in Australia, and 9th/10th at Monaco thanks to two great drivers on a driver's circuit. FIRST 8 GPs - 17 points. SECOND 8 GPs - 155 points.
Not bad eh?
Time, obviously they've been collecting a few points
Qualifying pace deficit for first 8 races generally 1.1% - 1.4% an average of 1.3%.
Austria instantly reduced qualifying deficit to 0.4% and since then representative qualifying times have been from
0.1% Hungary, to 0.6% Japan for an average of <0.4%.

Race times are an unreliable measure of performance due to the number of variable, obviously we are closer. We are scoring at 9 times the rate of the first 8 weekends in the second 8.

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BMMR61 wrote:
24 Sep 2023, 12:16
mwillems wrote:
24 Sep 2023, 12:12
BMMR61 wrote:
24 Sep 2023, 11:36


Race time? Qualifying? Points?
One things for sure, prior to Austria our only decent haul was fortuitous 12 points in Australia, and 9th/10th at Monaco thanks to two great drivers on a driver's circuit. FIRST 8 GPs - 17 points. SECOND 8 GPs - 155 points.
Not bad eh?
Time, obviously they've been collecting a few points
Qualifying pace deficit for first 8 races generally 1.1% - 1.4% an average of 1.3%.
Austria instantly reduced qualifying deficit to 0.4% and since then representative qualifying times have been from
0.1% Hungary, to 0.6% Japan for an average of <0.4%.

Race times are an unreliable measure of performance due to the number of variable, obviously we are closer. We are scoring at 9 times the rate of the first 8 weekends in the second 8.
I think you can remove the outliers from race pace. I might have a go later.
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Yeah I removed qualifying outliers like the Spanish GP third on grid which was massively at the expense of race deg. and sessions affected by extreme weather change.

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Epic race for McLaren - a double podium is a sensational result!
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Qatar should be another double podium - the car is almost purpose built for that track

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MrGapes wrote:
24 Sep 2023, 12:57
I know norris can't have full picture so soon after the race, but he was only 6.2s ahead of LEC moments before VSC and he was 1.5s ahead after VSC. So he lost around 4.7s.

He was 5.1 behind max before VSC, 9s after VSC. 4.8s loss.

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Juzh wrote:
24 Sep 2023, 13:13
MrGapes wrote:
24 Sep 2023, 12:57
I know norris can't have full picture so soon after the race, but he was only 6.2s ahead of LEC moments before VSC and he was 1.5s ahead after VSC. So he lost around 4.7s.

He was 5.1 behind max before VSC, 9s after VSC. 4.8s loss.
It was 10 seconds after just checked, Lando was a bit faster than Max for a couple laps after the restart, reduced it down to 9 and a bit before it started going up again. But yes you are right, not sure why I remember it as 10 seconds ish loss too, having looked back it is definitely, like you said, closer to a 5 seconds loss. Perhaps a bit of internal exaggeration from Lando and maybe some frustrated viewers like me in the heat of the moment.

If we tally that up with the (in my opinion) 3-4 second loss behind Piastri and Russell combined as opposed to Max cruising out in front, it's about a 10 second gap, which isn't too bad. The average race pace of 0.3s down on Max is pretty decent too, and hopefully we can be even closer somewhere like Qatar and be in a position to take advantage of any issues or circumstances that might go against Max during the race e.g. a well-timed SC or a better strategy.

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Juzh wrote:
24 Sep 2023, 13:13
MrGapes wrote:
24 Sep 2023, 12:57
I know norris can't have full picture so soon after the race, but he was only 6.2s ahead of LEC moments before VSC and he was 1.5s ahead after VSC. So he lost around 4.7s.

He was 5.1 behind max before VSC, 9s after VSC. 4.8s loss.
Ah okay thank you.

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As expected largest deficit comes from the initial stints, on the heaviest fuels the slow speed problem is worse, but middle and last stint better.