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[Xyz22]

The Merc isn’t a poor car here, it is the clear second best car of the season overall as well and at this track, with the difficult conditions it is easier to not do good and then certainly Checo is at risk. That is already the 8th time this season and all, or almost all had the tougher conditions when Checo failed to make Q3.

I actually think Lewis will get that P2, on merit. He hasn’t left much on the table.

.566” isn’t even that out of the ordinary against Max;

Max had -0.433s on Ricciardo in 2018.

-0.739s in 2019 against Gasly and Albon

-0.565 against Albon in 2020.

The gaps between the field now are closer making a deficit having bigger consequences.

The 2018 calculation is probably wrong. I have never seen such a number for Max and Ricciardo. In terms of percentage it was under 0.2% and in seconds i'm 99% sure it was under 0.25s from all the sources (if we are talking about qualifying. Also, these calculations don't include all the issues Danny Ric had that year with an insane amount of compromised FPs sessions that put him on the back foot for the entire weekend. Would have he been faster than Max? Absolutely not, but they were a factor, for sure).

Anyway, Perez performance is beyond embarrassing at this point.

[Sieper]

The Merc isn’t a poor car here, it is the clear second best car of the season overall as well and at this track, with the difficult conditions it is easier to not do good and then certainly Checo is at risk. That is already the 8th time this season and all, or almost all had the tougher conditions when Checo failed to make Q3.

I actually think Lewis will get that P2, on merit. He hasn’t left much on the table.

.566” isn’t even that out of the ordinary against Max;

Max had -0.433s on Ricciardo in 2018.

-0.739s in 2019 against Gasly and Albon

-0.565 against Albon in 2020.

The gaps between the field now are closer making a deficit having bigger consequences.

The 2018 calculation is probably wrong. I have never seen such a number for Max and Ricciardo. In terms of percentage it was under 0.2% and in seconds i'm 99% sure it was under 0.25s from all the sources (if we are talking about qualifying. Also, these calculations don't include all the issues Danny Ric had that year with an insane amount of compromised FPs sessions that put him on the back foot for the entire weekend. Would have he been faster than Max? Absolutely not, but they were a factor, for sure).

Anyway, Perez performance is beyond embarrassing at this point.

Here is the data source;

https://www.racefans.net/2018-f1-season ... ying-data/

Max also had an insane amount of technical problems in 2018.

[Xyz22]

The Merc isn’t a poor car here, it is the clear second best car of the season overall as well and at this track, with the difficult conditions it is easier to not do good and then certainly Checo is at risk. That is already the 8th time this season and all, or almost all had the tougher conditions when Checo failed to make Q3.

I actually think Lewis will get that P2, on merit. He hasn’t left much on the table.

.566” isn’t even that out of the ordinary against Max;

Max had -0.433s on Ricciardo in 2018.

-0.739s in 2019 against Gasly and Albon

-0.565 against Albon in 2020.

The gaps between the field now are closer making a deficit having bigger consequences.

The 2018 calculation is probably wrong. I have never seen such a number for Max and Ricciardo. In terms of percentage it was under 0.2% and in seconds i'm 99% sure it was under 0.25s from all the sources (if we are talking about qualifying. Also, these calculations don't include all the issues Danny Ric had that year with an insane amount of compromised FPs sessions that put him on the back foot for the entire weekend. Would have he been faster than Max? Absolutely not, but they were a factor, for sure).

Anyway, Perez performance is beyond embarrassing at this point.

Here is the data source;

https://www.racefans.net/2018-f1-season ... ying-data/

Max also had an insane amount of technical problems in 2018.

This calculation is completely different from all the numbers i have seen throught the years. The numbers are never the same because there are different ways to calculate the average gap (using seconds is already a huge mistake in my opinion), the lap times and sessions considered.

For example these are the results calculated by Sky Sports:
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1. Mercedes

Final score: Lewis Hamilton 15-6 Valtteri Bottas

Average gap: -0.171s for Hamilton

2. Ferrari

Final score: Sebastian Vettel 17-4 Kimi Raikkonen

Average gap: -0.256 for Vettel

3. Red Bull

Final score: Max Verstappen 15-5 Daniel Ricciardo

Average gap: -0.145 for Verstappen

4. Renault

Final score: Nico Hulkenberg 13-8 Carlos Sainz

Average gap: -0.101 for Hulkenberg

5.Haas

Final score: Romain Grosjean 11-8 Kevin Magnussen

Average gap: -0.253 for Grosjean

6. Force India

Final score: Esteban Ocon 16-5 Sergio Perez

Average gap: -0.115 for Ocon

7. McLaren

Final score: Fernando Alonso 21-0 Stoffel Vandoorne

Average gap: -0.392 for Alonso

8. Sauber

Final score: Charles Leclerc 17-4 Marcus Ericsson

Average gap: -0.510 for Leclerc

9. Toro Rosso

Final score: Pierre Gasly 13-6 Brendon Hartley

Average gap: -0.118 for Gasly

10. Williams

Final score: Sergey Sirotkin 12-8 Lance Stroll

Average gap: -0.066 for Sirotkin

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There are ton of comparison made available on Reddit like this https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comme ... ualifying/

or this


We had an amazing site with comparisons built in https://f1teammatestats.herokuapp.com/f1analysis.php but unfortunately doesn't work any more.

Maybe if i have time i'll dig up the numbers myself because that 0.433s doesn't sound right.

Edit i forgot i saved a lot of comparison from https://f1teammatestats.herokuapp.com/f1analysis.php in images.
Here it is Max vs Ricciardo in 2018



This is still a big gap but nowhere near what we saw with Gasly, Albon and Perez.

I also have Max vs Gasly in 2019:

[organic]

Narrower track limits at T12-T13 where Max was extremely quick in quali. The car has been best at the highest speed corners so the new track limits at these corners making minimum speed lower (estimated 20km/hl will hurt the car/team. Could make things close with McLaren. Unfortunate

[organic]

Not surprised after the track changes. Made the setup compromised. Hopefully not too bad for the race but yeah not ideal

[AR3-GP]

Mclaren DRS train. At least Max is on the clean side of the grid.

[AR3-GP]

Also, I think the pace between Mclaren and RB was close enough that the daytime conditions swung it Mclaren's way. Either that or Ver was just too worried about track limits on his final lap.

Hulk outqualified Perez by the way...you know my feeling about that

[organic]

Also, I think the pace between Mclaren and RB was close enough that the daytime conditions swung it Mclaren's way. Either that or Ver was just too worried about track limits on his final lap.

Hulk outqualified Perez by the way...you know my feeling about that

I think looking at the telemetry Max just didn't do a brilliant lap, either time.. Quite a bit on the table

[dialtone]

Also, I think the pace between Mclaren and RB was close enough that the daytime conditions swung it Mclaren's way. Either that or Ver was just too worried about track limits on his final lap.

Hulk outqualified Perez by the way...you know my feeling about that

I think looking at the telemetry Max just didn't do a brilliant lap, either time.. Quite a bit on the table

Him and Ferrari came out earliest of the lot in sq3. Imho questionable decision given you have a heavier car and do more laps than the rest. LEC ruined his lap on last corner and Max wasn’t as good as the MCL.

I would have waited a couple more minutes.

[AR3-GP]

That race pace was absolutely mediocre. Lol.

[TNTHead]

Well done by VER and the team, WDC with 5 races to go. Absolute dominant display.

[Cs98]

3xWDC. Still feels like yesterday he was sitting on nil, and now he's an all time great with all time great numbers.

[Sieper]

Congrats everybody, 3x world champion. We had to wait so long for Max to get a car to compete and now that he has, jus wow.

[organic]

That race pace was absolutely mediocre. Lol.

Yeah it seems like McLaren might be the faster car after Saturday's changes to the layout.. With the high degradation and how quick McLarens were I still expect RB vs Mcl for victory tomorrow, especially if SCs close up the field again

[AR3-GP]

That race pace was absolutely mediocre. Lol.

Yeah it seems like McLaren might be the faster car after Saturday's changes to the layout.. With the high degradation and how quick McLarens were I still expect RB vs Mcl for victory tomorrow, especially if SCs close up the field again

I also wonder how it looks on high fuel. Mclaren is very fast on low fuel which is where the sprint is.

GP was also complaining to Max about how he managed the tires at the start so could be something there with compromising the tires too much at the start of the stint with the trafffic. That will be less of a concern tomorrow.