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Didn't Lando have one of his PUs fail prematurely?saputra_25 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023, 12:14https://www.f1-fansite.com/2023-f1-seas ... -elements/
this chart says otherwise, Lando is quite healthy in terms of engine allocation, why do you say they need to take penalty?
At Bahrain Lando's first ICE was lost as a result of a failure, so his allocation for the season is essentially one less than others...saputra_25 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023, 12:14https://www.f1-fansite.com/2023-f1-seas ... -elements/
this chart says otherwise, Lando is quite healthy in terms of engine allocation, why do you say they need to take penalty?
That's looking pretty decent especially for Lando who still hasn't used his last free ICE. And Oscar has only two races on his last ICE, everything else is pretty maxed out - for us and the opposition. Does the Honda engine still have a deficit at high altitude (Mexico)? I'd be expecting Lando to be using his last ICE at the next highly power sensitive track - suggestions anyone? I'd think that Oscar, while technically needing to make his Suzuka/Qatar engine go five more races, that won't necessarily be the case as there will be used engines waiting for less demanding tracks if necessary.saputra_25 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023, 12:14https://www.f1-fansite.com/2023-f1-seas ... -elements/
this chart says otherwise, Lando is quite healthy in terms of engine allocation, why do you say they need to take penalty?
Not quite sure how you’re reading that and not realising that Lando has used all of his fresh ICE allowances, he still has a new MGUH, MGUK and turbo charger available, but as you can see he has already used four of four ICE’sBMMR61 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023, 12:27That's looking pretty decent especially for Lando who still hasn't used his last free ICE. And Oscar has only two races on his last ICE, everything else is pretty maxed out - for us and the opposition. Does the Honda engine still have a deficit at high altitude (Mexico)? I'd be expecting Lando to be using his last ICE at the next highly power sensitive track - suggestions anyone? I'd think that Oscar, while technically needing to make his Suzuka/Qatar engine go five more races, that won't necessarily be the case as there will be used engines waiting for less demanding tracks if necessary.saputra_25 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023, 12:14https://www.f1-fansite.com/2023-f1-seas ... -elements/
this chart says otherwise, Lando is quite healthy in terms of engine allocation, why do you say they need to take penalty?
I'm not reading the chart (Lando - 3 used of 4 allowed) as you are Organic...
You're absolutely right, my bad!the EDGE wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023, 12:45Not quite sure how you’re reading that and not realising that Lando has used all of his fresh ICE allowances, he still has a new MGUH, MGUK and turbo charger available, but as you can see he has already used four of four ICE’sBMMR61 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023, 12:27That's looking pretty decent especially for Lando who still hasn't used his last free ICE. And Oscar has only two races on his last ICE, everything else is pretty maxed out - for us and the opposition. Does the Honda engine still have a deficit at high altitude (Mexico)? I'd be expecting Lando to be using his last ICE at the next highly power sensitive track - suggestions anyone? I'd think that Oscar, while technically needing to make his Suzuka/Qatar engine go five more races, that won't necessarily be the case as there will be used engines waiting for less demanding tracks if necessary.saputra_25 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023, 12:14
https://www.f1-fansite.com/2023-f1-seas ... -elements/
this chart says otherwise, Lando is quite healthy in terms of engine allocation, why do you say they need to take penalty?
I'm not reading the chart (Lando - 3 used of 4 allowed) as you are Organic...
I expect Marshall and Sanchez will have an impact on the in season development of the 2024 car, as a lot of the parts will likely carry over into the 2025 car. The focus will be on the 2026 cars given the budget cap.mwillems wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023, 09:08I think they've done good work on the Aero side of dealing with the tyre behaviour, but that there is some work to do in a new chassis on the mechanical side. I'm guessing this will help the platform stay stay in the optimum windows for Aero during cornering, braking, accelerating away etc as well as help improve the way the tyre makes contact with the ground to improve grip and the cars thermal input into the tyre.the EDGE wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023, 23:49I think it’s clear where McLaren still need to make progress. They have improved Deg, but work on this area will be critical to winning racesFittingMechanics wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023, 17:32Let's hope that the new signings can bring forward some ideas and understanding of how to proceed. If that works well, the development next year should be good as well. Hopefully we will at least stay in the mix for the podium.
I don't want to get ahead of myself - it's possible we regress over the winter, but I am hopeful that this signals a long term return to the top tier.
Rob Marshall should be key here, and hopefully it’s steps that can be made in-season. He has 8 weeks before the first race, which surely is not achievable, but hopefully won’t take much longe if McLaren have a chassis he can work with without fundamentally changes
Rob Marshall might be able to help a bit with some of the suspension work but I wouldn't think much else for the 24 car, apart from bits of information he brings with him from Red Bull that might help us refine our concept. The chassis will be tied down by that point, largely so not much doing there.
I wonder if they will start conceptual work on the 25 car pretty early next year with Marshall and Sanchez getting up to speed with our concepts and planned future developments before they start to generate their own idea of how to improve the car in 25.
Possibly, I'm just not sure how much. As for what will carry over into the 25 car, I'm not sure how much we know will be carried over. it wouldn't be unreasonable to think that given the reg change that the 25 car may not develop as much so we can focus on '26... but since we have targeted '25 as the title challenge year, I don't think the team will be thinking like that.taperoo2k wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023, 14:34I expect Marshall and Sanchez will have an impact on the in season development of the 2024 car, as a lot of the parts will likely carry over into the 2025 car. The focus will be on the 2026 cars given the budget cap.mwillems wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023, 09:08I think they've done good work on the Aero side of dealing with the tyre behaviour, but that there is some work to do in a new chassis on the mechanical side. I'm guessing this will help the platform stay stay in the optimum windows for Aero during cornering, braking, accelerating away etc as well as help improve the way the tyre makes contact with the ground to improve grip and the cars thermal input into the tyre.the EDGE wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023, 23:49
I think it’s clear where McLaren still need to make progress. They have improved Deg, but work on this area will be critical to winning races
Rob Marshall should be key here, and hopefully it’s steps that can be made in-season. He has 8 weeks before the first race, which surely is not achievable, but hopefully won’t take much longe if McLaren have a chassis he can work with without fundamentally changes
Rob Marshall might be able to help a bit with some of the suspension work but I wouldn't think much else for the 24 car, apart from bits of information he brings with him from Red Bull that might help us refine our concept. The chassis will be tied down by that point, largely so not much doing there.
I wonder if they will start conceptual work on the 25 car pretty early next year with Marshall and Sanchez getting up to speed with our concepts and planned future developments before they start to generate their own idea of how to improve the car in 25.
This was to give them max possible pace in the event of a late safety car. If they used new sets at the top of the race, any advantage would have been negated by a late SC and they would be on used tires at that point
Normal PU Expenditure doesn't come under the budget cap and I'm not sure any engine costs come under the budget cap. There are rules on engine costs but these are not deducted from the cap. They will consider the engine on sporting terms only, if they need it they will pay for it, and they may well need it as they will have been cycling 3 engines for a massive season, around about 8 races per engine minus the races the failed engine were used at, so possibly 7 races per engine currently in the pool.