2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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ME4ME wrote:
12 Oct 2023, 20:12
The rumour of Perez retiring makes sense. But why would Alpha Tauri confirm Daniel and Yuki ahead of the Japanese GP? Yuki, sure. But why Daniel.

I disagree with Chrisc90, I don't think Lawson is anywhere near ready mentally for Red Bull. If it goes wrong, which it likely will because Verstappen crushes teammates, Red Bull would again be blamed for putting a rookie in the car way too soon just as Kvyat and Albon.

Going by Horners preference for Ricciardo, I bet he'll be given a chance to redeem himself.
Not entirely ruling out a return of Albon either Williams-contract or not.
I think they:

A/ wanted Daniel to know he had a drive and not to rush back from injury too soon

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B/ wanted Checo to think he was not under pressure from Daniel in the hope he'd get his act together and stop his string of disasters.
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djos wrote:
12 Oct 2023, 21:58
ME4ME wrote:
12 Oct 2023, 20:12
The rumour of Perez retiring makes sense. But why would Alpha Tauri confirm Daniel and Yuki ahead of the Japanese GP? Yuki, sure. But why Daniel.

I disagree with Chrisc90, I don't think Lawson is anywhere near ready mentally for Red Bull. If it goes wrong, which it likely will because Verstappen crushes teammates, Red Bull would again be blamed for putting a rookie in the car way too soon just as Kvyat and Albon.

Going by Horners preference for Ricciardo, I bet he'll be given a chance to redeem himself.
Not entirely ruling out a return of Albon either Williams-contract or not.
I think they:

A/ wanted Daniel to know he had a drive and not to rush back from injury too soon

and

B/ wanted Checo to think he was not under pressure from Daniel in the hope he'd get his act together and stop his string of disasters.
I'm not sure the timing adds up because the rumor says Perez was told in Japan that he was going, which is the same weekend that Daniel was confirmed at AT for 2024. So Perez would have had precisely zero weekends knowing that he wasn't under pressure from Daniel.
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AR3-GP wrote:
12 Oct 2023, 22:59
djos wrote:
12 Oct 2023, 21:58
ME4ME wrote:
12 Oct 2023, 20:12
The rumour of Perez retiring makes sense. But why would Alpha Tauri confirm Daniel and Yuki ahead of the Japanese GP? Yuki, sure. But why Daniel.

I disagree with Chrisc90, I don't think Lawson is anywhere near ready mentally for Red Bull. If it goes wrong, which it likely will because Verstappen crushes teammates, Red Bull would again be blamed for putting a rookie in the car way too soon just as Kvyat and Albon.

Going by Horners preference for Ricciardo, I bet he'll be given a chance to redeem himself.
Not entirely ruling out a return of Albon either Williams-contract or not.
I think they:

A/ wanted Daniel to know he had a drive and not to rush back from injury too soon

and

B/ wanted Checo to think he was not under pressure from Daniel in the hope he'd get his act together and stop his string of disasters.
I'm not sure the timing adds up because the rumor says Perez was told in Japan that he was going, which is the same weekend that Daniel was confirmed at AT for 2024. So Perez would have had precisely zero weekends knowing that he wasn't under pressure from Daniel.
That rumour doesn’t match up with the related statements by Christian or Helmet.

Helmet‘s latest comment was that Perez should “change teams”.

https://apple.news/ASug1fwXeQnCRiXsfD4WbsA
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Danny Ric makes alot of sense for 2024. He will not give Max a hard time, good enough to bag some good results when needed, and fits the RB brand better than any other driver.

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Red Bull mechanic unfazed after broken record
Well-known Red Bull mechanic Calum Nicholas was a guest on Sky Sports, where he was asked about the new record. "I’m not annoyed at McLaren at all, they have done a fantastic job. That’s the thing about the sport, it doesn’t matter where you’re at, there’s always someone chasing you. Those guys have worked super hard on their pit stops, they’ve put in the hours," Nicholas said.

According to Red Bull's mechanic, McLaren has not copied from the Austrian team. "I’d like to say we’ve inspired, but that’s it, they’ve done an amazing bit of work so not annoyed at McLaren at all. On the other hand, I would very much like it back. I imagine that all my colleagues feel the same way, so now it’s just a case of get your head down, get practising and let’s see if we can get it back to where we believe it belongs."
1.79 in Austin on Perez's car.
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napoleon1981 wrote:
13 Oct 2023, 00:45
Danny Ric makes alot of sense for 2024. He will not give Max a hard time, good enough to bag some good results when needed, and fits the RB brand better than any other driver.
I think it’ll be more like Hamilton vs Rosberg, but without physiological warfare as Daniel and Max get along well and neither of them like to play stupid mind games.
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Reading Marko's comments, I think he is saying that if Perez loses the 2nd place, he would have fell behind Max in both the points threshold and the WDC position threshold, and that would activate a special clause in his contract that could see him lose his option for 2024?
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13 Oct 2023, 03:18
Reading Marko's comments, I think he is saying that if Perez loses the 2nd place, he would have fell behind Max in both the points threshold and the WDC position threshold, and that would activate a special clause in his contract that could see him lose his option for 2024?
I had the same interpretation

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An interesting conundrum for Hamilton... :lol:
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Is this a soft announcement? Interesting choise for a picture! :D
That Perez rumour from that Telmex man seems to be true.

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Wouter wrote:
13 Oct 2023, 12:20
Is this a soft announcement? Interesting choise for a picture! :D
That Perez rumour from that Telmex man seems to be true.

:D Subtle! :mrgreen:

And Daniel is in full RedBull kit, not AT!

Ps, Is that an old photo? It looks like there’s an Aston Martin logo on their shirts.
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djos wrote:
13 Oct 2023, 12:34
Wouter wrote:
13 Oct 2023, 12:20
Is this a soft announcement? Interesting choise for a picture! :D
That Perez rumour from that Telmex man seems to be true.

:D Subtle! :mrgreen:

And Daniel is in full RedBull kit, not AT!

Ps, Is that an old photo? It looks like there’s an Aston Martin logo on their shirts.
It's from this video


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djos wrote:
13 Oct 2023, 12:34
Wouter wrote:
13 Oct 2023, 12:20
Is this a soft announcement? Interesting choise for a picture! :D
That Perez rumour from that Telmex man seems to be true.

.
:D Subtle! :mrgreen:

And Daniel is in full RedBull kit, not AT!

Ps, Is that an old photo? It looks like there’s an Aston Martin logo on their shirts.
.
Yes, this is a very old photo. 2017.
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Long, detailed AMuS article on Perez's struggles at RB

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... ementiert/

Also states that at some point Perez requested to drive the pre-barcelona rb19. Did Perez forget that he was crushed at Miami as well?

Some excerpts
Much worse, according to Perez, was a new underbody that Red Bull brought to Barcelona. It made the Red Bull faster, but not Perez: "The driving characteristics no longer suited my driving style. The moment came again when I had to think more about how to drive the car to be fast." This also happened to him in the 2021 and 2022 seasons.

Red Bull's problem child doesn't want to blame the engineers at all: "They bring upgrades to make the car faster. It did get faster. It's just that I had a harder time driving the car. Then you have to adapt. I didn't do it as fast as I should have." His request to be allowed to drive the pre-Barcelona specification again could not be granted. No team brings two different cars to the start.
Everyone at Red Bull agrees that Perez is still the equally good race driver they bought in three years ago. His current problem is in his head.
Highlights how the two parties view his struggles from different angles. Perez from the pov of the car changing and the team from the pov of Perez's head being the issue

Full translation:

https://pastebin.com/d6AVVdE1

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organic wrote:
13 Oct 2023, 13:34
Long, detailed AMuS article on Perez's struggles at RB

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... ementiert/

Also states that at some point Perez requested to drive the pre-barcelona rb19. Did Perez forget that he was crushed at Miami as well?

Some excerpts
Much worse, according to Perez, was a new underbody that Red Bull brought to Barcelona. It made the Red Bull faster, but not Perez: "The driving characteristics no longer suited my driving style. The moment came again when I had to think more about how to drive the car to be fast." This also happened to him in the 2021 and 2022 seasons.

Red Bull's problem child doesn't want to blame the engineers at all: "They bring upgrades to make the car faster. It did get faster. It's just that I had a harder time driving the car. Then you have to adapt. I didn't do it as fast as I should have." His request to be allowed to drive the pre-Barcelona specification again could not be granted. No team brings two different cars to the start.
Everyone at Red Bull agrees that Perez is still the equally good race driver they bought in three years ago. His current problem is in his head.
Highlights how the two parties view his struggles from different angles. Perez from the pov of the car changing and the team from the pov of Perez's head being the issue

Full translation:

https://pastebin.com/d6AVVdE1
Perez has IMO always been mentally weak, we saw it at McLaren when he got crushed by Jensen and made many stupid mistakes as a result.

This is just a repeat of that. He should bow out gracefully and retire at the end of this season.

I’ve honestly never understood why some folk rate him so highly. Even when he’s had a competitive team mate, he’s resorted to dirty tactics to try and prevail as he simply isn’t a good enough driver to prevail on skill alone.

And before anyone mentions it, yes he’s never tried dirty tricks on Max, because Max is rarely anywhere near him on track.
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