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If you revert Perez to an older spec, there are other issues too

RB tend to run their components to the end of their usage life before upgrading. It's also likely that many of the components were modified when upgrades were made, so the pre-barcelona spec components simply don't exist anymore - not even in the parts bin.

In a given weekend with max running the current spec and Perez the pre-barcelona you'd only have half as much information gathered about how to set up the car for each driver.

Max would also have to do all of the aero runs, constant speed tests etc which would negatively affect his running. The development of the car would also only be done based on half as much driver feedback.

And Perez would probably be slower with the old-spec anyway, even if it felt more comfortable.

Overall it's just not feasible to do something like that

[djos]

Agreed, letting Checo run an old spec only helps Checo, it hurts the team in the long run.

[Wouter]

Marko was the go between for the team and Mateschitz, so he doesn't really serve a purpose anymore. I strongly suspect his tenure is coming to an end after this season. He's certainly not Horner's man.

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Marko is now the link between Mintzlaff and Horner btw.

What do you think about Horners behaviour?
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Tension between Christian Horner and Helmut Marko, Didi Mateschitz's former right-hand man , has long existed.
But the struggle for power increased with the death of the tycoon.
And Horner has been trying to get rid of Marko for some time to take control of the group's Formula One operation as a whole.
The English chief executive already has a big influence at AlphaTauri: he participated in most decisions about drivers
and the change of directors - including the arrival of new CEO Peter Bayer

[Sieper]

Is that really true Wouter, or just a journalist? We have seen what happened to Mercedes when they lost Lauda. Not saying Horner is similar to Wolff, or Marko to Lauda for that matter, but it is good to discuss, compromise if you will, also at the top.

[Wouter]

Is that really true Wouter, or just a journalist? We have seen what happened to Mercedes when they lost Lauda.
Not saying Horner is similar to Wolff, or Marko to Lauda for that matter, but it is good to discuss, compromise if you will, also at the top.

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Just a journalist? I wrote who said it and wrote it in the article:

"Former Jaguar (--->RBR) driver, now Brazilian stock car racer, Luciano Burti."

He is an insider and said often things who we heard weeks later. Some of his friends still work at RBR.

[chrisc90]

All this Perez stuff seems to be gaining a lot of collateral now.

[AR3-GP]

Long, detailed AMuS article on Perez's struggles at RB

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... ementiert/

Also states that at some point Perez requested to drive the pre-barcelona rb19. Did Perez forget that he was crushed at Miami as well?

Some excerpts

Much worse, according to Perez, was a new underbody that Red Bull brought to Barcelona. It made the Red Bull faster, but not Perez: "The driving characteristics no longer suited my driving style. The moment came again when I had to think more about how to drive the car to be fast." This also happened to him in the 2021 and 2022 seasons.

Red Bull's problem child doesn't want to blame the engineers at all: "They bring upgrades to make the car faster. It did get faster. It's just that I had a harder time driving the car. Then you have to adapt. I didn't do it as fast as I should have." His request to be allowed to drive the pre-Barcelona specification again could not be granted. No team brings two different cars to the start.

Everyone at Red Bull agrees that Perez is still the equally good race driver they bought in three years ago. His current problem is in his head.

Highlights how the two parties view his struggles from different angles. Perez from the pov of the car changing and the team from the pov of Perez's head being the issue

Full translation:

https://pastebin.com/d6AVVdE1

Thanks for the post. Looking at how awful Perez season has gone since Barca I'd reconsider if I was RB about not taking the pre Barca spec for Sergio to the US-Mex-Braz tripleheader

Such a thing doesn't make much sense. The Barcelona spec has been out developed already. That's a car that had the launch spec sidepods.

[Cs98]

Marko was the go between for the team and Mateschitz, so he doesn't really serve a purpose anymore. I strongly suspect his tenure is coming to an end after this season. He's certainly not Horner's man.

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Marko is now the link between Mintzlaff and Horner btw.

What do you think about Horners behaviour?
.

Tension between Christian Horner and Helmut Marko, Didi Mateschitz's former right-hand man , has long existed.
But the struggle for power increased with the death of the tycoon.
And Horner has been trying to get rid of Marko for some time to take control of the group's Formula One operation as a whole.
The English chief executive already has a big influence at AlphaTauri: he participated in most decisions about drivers
and the change of directors - including the arrival of new CEO Peter Bayer

Mintzlaff doesn't need a link. Mateschitz and Marko were long time friends and of a similar age, there was a trust between them which made him a natural go between. Mintzlaff can perfectly well deal with Horner himself and avoid all the unnecessary comments from Marko. Horner's behaviour makes perfect sense, Marko doesn't really bring anything to the table except unnecessary controversy. I enjoy his honesty because he often leaks information to the public which would never be shared otherwise, but he does nothing for RB.

[napoleon1981]

Danny Ric makes alot of sense for 2024. He will not give Max a hard time, good enough to bag some good results when needed, and fits the RB brand better than any other driver.

I think it’ll be more like Hamilton vs Rosberg, but without physiological warfare as Daniel and Max get along well and neither of them like to play stupid mind games.

Danny Ric will just be added to the Albon Gasly Perez list. He already ran once, maybe thats the only Hamilton Rosberg analogy here.

[Wouter]

Marko was the go between for the team and Mateschitz, so he doesn't really serve a purpose anymore. I strongly suspect his tenure is coming to an end after this season. He's certainly not Horner's man.

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Marko is now the link between Mintzlaff and Horner btw.

What do you think about Horners behaviour?
.

Tension between Christian Horner and Helmut Marko, Didi Mateschitz's former right-hand man , has long existed.
But the struggle for power increased with the death of the tycoon.
And Horner has been trying to get rid of Marko for some time to take control of the group's Formula One operation as a whole.
The English chief executive already has a big influence at AlphaTauri: he participated in most decisions about drivers
and the change of directors - including the arrival of new CEO Peter Bayer

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Mintzlaff doesn't need a link. Mintzlaff can perfectly well deal with Horner himself
and avoid all the unnecessary comments from Marko.

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These comments show that you missed a lot of information. I'll catch you up.

RBR and SAT were afraid that Mintzlaff would suddenly come up with different rules than the rules at the time of Dietrich Mateschitz.
Marko then had a number of conversations with Mintzlaff and was able to convince him that everything was going very well at RBR
and that they wanted to keep it that way and that was allowed.

They were allowed to make their own decisions, without Mintzlaff having to interfere first. Marko also convinced him that SAT
did not need to be sold and presented him with the plans.
Mintzlaff agreed and left everything else to Helmut Marko, who always had only to submit a report, nothing more.
Mintzlaff only has a controlling function in the whole and of course the final word, but Marko is the one who determines and implements the rules.

BTW, Mintzlaff doesn't want to deal with Horner himself. Mintzlaff and Horner have rarely contact.
Everything goes through Helmut Marko.
Mintzlaff attended the Singapore GP but not the Japanese GP and the Qatar GP.
He wasn't even there when they became WCC and WDC!!
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Kleine Zeitung. June 28 , 2023.
Kommen wir zur neuen Red-Bull-Führung und Oliver Mintzlaff:
Zunächst gab es Gerüchte über Unstimmigkeiten. Wie sieht es tatsächlich aus?

Es hat sich alles eingespielt und wir haben die Freiheiten, die wir brauchen und auch das Budget. Es ist alles im grünen Bereich
und Oliver Mintzlaff und ich haben auch einen entsprechenden Austausch.
Mittlerweile weiß ich sogar ein bisschen mehr über Fußball, weil er mir davon erzählt. Ich bin wirklich erstaunt, welche Ablösesummen
da gezahlt werden, wie viele Manager und Berater da zwischengeschaltet sind.

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[ME4ME]

Mintzlaff doesn't need a link. Mateschitz and Marko were long time friends and of a similar age, there was a trust between them which made him a natural go between. Mintzlaff can perfectly well deal with Horner himself and avoid all the unnecessary comments from Marko. Horner's behaviour makes perfect sense, Marko doesn't really bring anything to the table except unnecessary controversy. I enjoy his honesty because he often leaks information to the public which would never be shared otherwise, but he does nothing for RB.

I totally agree.

From a Red Bull perspective it makes sense for Marko to retire so they can clean up their brand perception a bit, while it also makes sense to give Horner authority over driver-decisions.

That said, they'd be wise to support him with a senior member who can keep an eye in, support or question Horner and not be under Horners management but rather report directly to Mintzlaff. A Gerhart Berger type of person.

[AR3-GP]

If it's true that Horner wants to get rid of Tsunoda, and Marko kept Tsunoda, then that is one decision which Marko has been useful for. Marko is "old-fashioned". Honda management is "old-fashioned". Marko is able to understand Honda in a way that Horner does not. Dropping Tsunoda would have led to friction with RBPT, regardless of what the contracts say.

[ME4ME]

Horner might be of the opinion that Tsunoda isn't going to cut it for Red Bull and thus isn't worth investing in further, and I'd say thats hard to argue with. However my guess is that Horner and Marko are simply quite aligned in that its best to proceed with 3 Alpha Tauri drivers rather than 2, because of the Perez situation.

[AR3-GP]

Horner might be of the opinion that Tsunoda isn't going to cut it for Red Bull and thus isn't worth investing in further, and I'd say thats hard to argue with. However my guess is that Horner and Marko are simply quite aligned in that its best to proceed with 3 Alpha Tauri drivers rather than 2, because of the Perez situation.

Tsunoda isn't going to cut it at RB, but that's not a problem they need to solve currently. What they need is the best possible PU supply that can be obtained which requires quite a bit of goodwill by Honda who certainly do not have to lift a finger for RB anymore beyond maintaining the current supply. At the same time that Tsunoda was announced, they also announced that they would be "improving" the current PU. This is a coincidence only for the naive.

[Juzh]

Maybe Mintzlaff and Marko is an austrian thing.. trust and all that.