2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Wouter wrote:
16 Oct 2023, 19:56
Here the German article about about the conflict between Horner and Marko and more.
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Red Bull dominates Formula 1 with Max Verstappen, but the current industry leader is anything but harmony. An explosive power struggle has broken out behind the scenes.

The Brazilian broadcaster Globo first reported that Dr. Helmut Marko is to be forced out of his position as head of motorsport at Red Bull - of all people by long-time team boss and companion Christian Horner. However, the conflict has a history.

"In the past there was a rumor that AlphaTauri was to be sold. But the sale was then prevented from Salzburg because it was another wish of the late Didi Mateschitz. Then it was decided that more support was needed. Christian Horner, in turn, took this as an opportunity to say: “If I am to support more, I also have to have more influence,” explains Sky expert Ralf Schumacher.
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The explosive power struggle within the world champion team is being watched like a hawk in Formula 1. But who will decide this for themselves? "Dr. Marko was always the link between Salzburg, the interests of the team, but also the interests of Didi Mateschitz and was the advisor," said Schumacher and continued: "Horner was hired by Dr. Marko at the time, but he was and is "It's not without controversy in Salzburg. You shouldn't forget that the Thai shareholder has slightly different interests. Apparently Horner is more oriented towards Thailand at the moment because he had a difficult life in Salzburg."
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Schumacher advises respectful interaction and a prudent approach. "Unrest causes performance to suffer. That's why you should be very careful and think about what you have achieved together."
That's why I said "concrete" sources, which this article isn't, it's just a bunch of evergreen sensationalistic statements by ralf schumacher. In my opinion it's just more ramblings by him and basically entire article is based off of him talking out of his a**, as per usual. dude wants mick in AT seat at all costs and thus constantly brings up tsunodas performance. I agree tsunoda is questionable at best, however ralf has ulterior motives and possibly even a grudge against marko, so he's pushing these deluded narratives all the time. I don't believe a word of it.
As was said, marko will go eventually and probably sooner, rather than later, but it'll be because he's getting old, not because of some power struggle. Simply put, there is no power struggle, marko is horner's superior and that's it, always was. Horner wanted raikkonen in 2014, marko wanted ric, so they got ric. horner didnt want devries, marko did, and so he was signed.

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KimiRai wrote:
17 Oct 2023, 06:58

But there is another very interesting aspect that could only be discovered because of the incident in Qatar involving Sergio Perez's RB19 during the Sprint Race. Pierre Waché's technicians were forced to replace the Mexican driver's chassis because in the 'standoff' triggered by Esteban Ocon with the Alpine, Nico Hulkenberg's Haas had been locked in a sandwich, the right side had been devastated and the radiators had been smashed.

The incident uncovered an unprecedented part of the cooling system: the radiator, in fact, was designed and built to be properly packed into the side of the RB19. It is not a square or oval element, as many have seen, but has a complex three-dimensional shape with a conspicuous arched area. Giorgio Piola's drawing highlights the struck radiator and, therefore, it is more bent than the dotted red line of the original drawing, but the unusualness of the shapes and the difficulty of construction testify to the care with which Newey deliberates a project by taking certain solutions to extremes, without jeopardising the reliability of the systems.

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At least when Stroll crashed his car, it was in too many bits and pieces to recognize anything... :lol: All that's left is for Perez to take a thumb drive to Mercedes/Aston/Ferrari..
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On a potential Albon return
Helmut Marko on Alex Albon in Qatar: “He was actually pretty good at Red Bull until he got spun out twice, once on his way to a win, which tugged on his nerves.”

“Why not get him back into Red Bull?”

“It gets brought up a lot, but sadly Albon signed a long term contract and won’t be on the market until probably 2026.”
https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel ... n-23101601

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Sieper wrote:
16 Oct 2023, 18:49
If it all is true, Marko and Max are very close, Max wanted to give Nyck a chance so Marko went for it while Horner always wanted Ricciardo. Hence the relative quick letting go, Horner stressed the point, Marko gave in when Nyck didn’t (seem to) perform as hoped. Just me thinking, not actual truth with sources.
Horner is the cold practical, but political type of leader, and Helmut is the seat of the pants, shoot from the hip, twinkle in the eye type.

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Horner discusses Marko relationship

"We've always enjoyed a very strong and open relationship, [and] of course, there are things that we disagree on now and again, but I think that's healthy," Horner explained to the Daily Mirror.

"We speak very regularly about all aspects. For Helmut, it's slightly different to how it used to be since the passing of his friend and colleague Dietrich [Mateschitz] but he still has a very valuable role that he plays within the team and there is absolutely no intent or desire from me, or anyone within the team, to see that change.

"For as long as he wants to continue – he's still a very spritely 80-year-old – I don't see any change in the way that we work.

"Roles evolve and the business has evolved so much since we first came into the sport.

"Operationally, I run this on a day-to-day basis and for any significant decisions, of course we confer, whether it be drivers or strategic calls.

"It's a partnership that has worked for many, many years. Everybody has their role and function to play.
https://racingnews365.com/horner-addres ... ing-claims

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Marko Interview:
AUSTRIA: Mr. Marko, how are you?

Helmut Marko: Good! Contrary to many assumptions. I have to disappoint the, as they say, doomsayers.

AUSTRIA: How do you explain the many rumors about your future that are currently circulating online?

Marko: No idea.

AUSTRIA: Apparently there is a summit this week that will discuss your future. When and where should it take place?

Marko: There is no summit this week. I have a contract until the end of next year. When and how I stop, when it's over, I decide and not, for example, Mr. Horner.

AUSTRIA: And what is the truth about the alleged power struggle between you and Red Bull team boss Christian Horner?

Marko: Due to the new constellation (after the death of Red Bull founder Dietrich Mateschitz a year ago, editor) everything is different. People are trying to redefine their powers.

AUSTRIA: Another point of contention is allegedly Yuki Tsunoda. Despite the contract, he is to be replaced at AlphaTauri by the end of 2024. They are supposedly against it because it could disrupt good relations with their Japanese engine supplier, Honda. Is that correct?

Marko: This is all just speculation. Just like the one about Perez. There is no ultimatum for Perez. I think we're winning too much - incredible things are being brought into the world. Max Verstappen's performance should be appreciated much more, it is extraordinary.

AUSTRIA: Max also demonstratively supports you in his interviews. Even after his victories, with his helmet still on, he looks for her...

Marko: On the one hand that is very reassuring, there is still something like loyalty and appreciation. Since our first conversation when Max was 15, there has been a special connection between us. Now I'm looking forward to Austin, where we can hopefully celebrate his 50th Grand Prix victory on Sunday.
https://www.oe24.at/sport/helmut-marko- ... /572529462

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US GP livery

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Without the yellow and red colors (RB) it would be better looking.

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Wouter wrote:Without the yellow and red colors (RB) it would be better looking.

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Definitely liked the Miami livery more.

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AR3-GP wrote:
17 Oct 2023, 07:09
KimiRai wrote:
17 Oct 2023, 06:58

But there is another very interesting aspect that could only be discovered because of the incident in Qatar involving Sergio Perez's RB19 during the Sprint Race. Pierre Waché's technicians were forced to replace the Mexican driver's chassis because in the 'standoff' triggered by Esteban Ocon with the Alpine, Nico Hulkenberg's Haas had been locked in a sandwich, the right side had been devastated and the radiators had been smashed.

The incident uncovered an unprecedented part of the cooling system: the radiator, in fact, was designed and built to be properly packed into the side of the RB19. It is not a square or oval element, as many have seen, but has a complex three-dimensional shape with a conspicuous arched area. Giorgio Piola's drawing highlights the struck radiator and, therefore, it is more bent than the dotted red line of the original drawing, but the unusualness of the shapes and the difficulty of construction testify to the care with which Newey deliberates a project by taking certain solutions to extremes, without jeopardising the reliability of the systems.

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At least when Stroll crashed his car, it was in too many bits and pieces to recognize anything... :lol: All that's left is for Perez to take a thumb drive to Mercedes/Aston/Ferrari..
Don’t forget McLaren who are actually the closest right now and have the concept closest to the RB

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Murmurs starting that the rb20 will be a monster. Not the first I've heard of similar stories but first I'm posting since it's a bit more concrete now.

Some insider info floated around a while back that the rb19 we're still seeing (other than the details copied from others) was essentially finished before the end of the 2022 season. And the rb20 has been the focus for over 12 months already.

Could be another good season.


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Savage to come out and say that one of the most dominant cars and has literally wiped the floor with the rest of the field with is something your not satisfied with.

Absolutely love it! The RB20 will be a monster.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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So that means Perez can stay?
Or alternatively... if Perez is not fired by end of season, we'll know that RB expects to dominate next year, too.

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organic wrote:
19 Oct 2023, 20:19
Murmurs starting that the rb20 will be a monster. Not the first I've heard of similar stories but first I'm posting since it's a bit more concrete now.

Some insider info floated around a while back that the rb19 we're still seeing (other than the details copied from others) was essentially finished before the end of the 2022 season. And the rb20 has been the focus for over 12 months already.

Could be another good season.
I hope they will be sufficiently skeptical of such a design actually working in the real world...some things are too good to be true, like the W13...

although the thought of such a car is tantalizing... :lol:
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Paa wrote:
19 Oct 2023, 20:36
So that means Perez can stay?
Or alternatively... if Perez is not fired by end of season, we'll know that RB expects to dominate next year, too.
Firing Perez just doesn't make any sense when you realize that whoever they put in to replace him is just as much of a gamble as he is. Ricciardo, Tsunoda, Lawson, either one of them would most likely get destroyed by Verstappen. If there was a Norris available the conversation would be different, but there isn't.

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Cs98 wrote:
19 Oct 2023, 20:46
Paa wrote:
19 Oct 2023, 20:36
So that means Perez can stay?
Or alternatively... if Perez is not fired by end of season, we'll know that RB expects to dominate next year, too.
Firing Perez just doesn't make any sense when you realize that whoever they put in to replace him is just as much of a gamble as he is. Ricciardo, Tsunoda, Lawson, either one of them would most likely get destroyed by Verstappen. If there was a Norris available the conversation would be different, but there isn't.
It's not a problem if the head to head is one-sided. The problem is Perez putting the car in unrespectable places like being knocked out in Q2 and/or crashing the car and exposing the floor as annual tradition.
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